Let’s just meet in the middle at 2.5? lol
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Mine is USB, Coops is SPDIF if i recall.
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Hey guys, quick question. A friend of mine told me the Gumby is not a real R2R DAC, that it uses a R2R chip or something like that. I found that very strange, is any of it true?
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All the Schiit Multibit DAC’s use R2R chips.
All DAC’s used to be that way, then DSD chips came along, and they were cheaper and could claim a lot more “bits”. No one makes audio specific R2R chips anymore, so Schiit use Analog Devices and TI chips designed for industrial machines like MRI machines.
They are still resistor ladders, just on a piece of silicon, and probably more accurate than building something out of discrete resistors.
They use multiple chips to increase resolution and multiplex the bottom bits to increase how it measures further.
Is it R2R? yes
Does it use chips? Yes
Does it use discrete resistors? No
Do they increase the resolution with oversampling? Yes
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Cool, thanks for the explanation!
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Regardless of what the schiit uses, I’d say “real” r2r counts for both discrete designs and chip based r2r, don’t think the chip based designs are inherently inferior or lesser than a ladder of resistors. Heard (and owned) excellent examples of both (but no longer own a chip based r2r now that I think about it)
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It uses an R2R chip, and the datasheet even shows how the device operates:
It is not a discrete (= stand-alone resistors connected via PCB) DAC, but it is definitely R2R.
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They’re not as “visually impressive” as rows upon rows of discreet resistors though. 
@luizgarcia Tell your friend, the DAC is more about implementation than the Digital to Audio Conversion processor used.
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Doesnt the mojo use a chip? Or do the high end ones go to a discrete resister ladder?
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He’s got so many DACs he doesn’t even remember. It does use a chip based R2R.
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Yes it can’t be good for confidence in the longevity of what you buy from them.
Imagine you’d just bought a MIL or a LIM, and now your being told you should upgrade.
The upgrade path is nice and all, but that has to leave a sour taste.
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From the high level perusing I did it’s just basically a new chassis, the rest is the same, or did I miss something?
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If you read the head-fi post by Jason, he’s not telling anyone to upgrade. The main upgrades are chassis, NOS mode, and remote. If those are important to you, then there’s a $500 upgrade charge.
The way I see it, probably 90%+ of people who own the older ones don’t really feel the need to upgrade since the only sonic “upgrade” would be the NOS mode.
There’s always going to be a time when companies update their products. I don’t think they can ever win when it comes to when it’s released.
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Generally I agree, but Schiit could just have released these 2 updates in the other order and no one could complain. If the Chasis firmware update had come out first, it would just be two new digital boards.
Just a very odd choice.
To be fair I expect the reason the LIM/MIL was done earlier was they were running out of the AD chips in the regular Yggy. But that doesn’t really make it feel good.
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I think the descision was to reduce the cost of the cassis. This looks like a lot less metal involved to manufacture hence allowing them to keep the cost the same while everything else goes up. TBH if I had one, for the cost to include a remote and updated FW, it’s not bad. Hell I spent $350 to change the color of the front face on my Weiss from silver to black and I had to to do the work. lol
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I bought my Yggdrasil A2/Unison as a pre-owned at a really great price. It is silver. I can live with the silver, but if I had a choice I’d prefer the black. A couple months or so back I emailed Schiit asking if I could buy a new cover, even offered to send my old cover back and not looking for any discounts. They declined stating all covers were spoken for and not for individual sale so I put the thought to rest, until I read about the Yggdrasil+ …
For myself this is appears to be a great opportunity to get a colorway that I prefer, and also a slimmer & streamlined chassis to boot, sweet! I don’t hate the big ole Yggy, but it is disproportionate to a lot of the other gear I have. The real bonus for myself is that I’d get a refresh and once over and also 2yrs warranty where now I have none. Added bonus’s would be the remote and also I guess the NOS feature, but from what I’ve read about NOS in the new BF2 it’s probably not something I’ll use personally, but who knows? The other advantage is perhaps with the new chassis design you’d have compatibility with other modular upgrades, although that was a selling point in the OG so that may just be marketing.
In the end, $500+ shipping for a refreshed to be like new again unit, and in the color I would have picked if buying new is attractive to me. Also, it doesn’t hurt that I have other DAC’s so I wouldn’t be without while it is away for updating. So pretty sure I’m going to go for it. My only concern is will the firmware changes for NOS mode change the sound as I’m sure it’s like upgrading the BF2 - where there is no going back to previous firmware.
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At what point does a company need to give the customer a heads up that something is going to change? LiM and MiL came out in September of 2021. It is currently November 2022. Is that not enough time for people to feel good about their purchase?
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On a personal level, I won’t buy from companies with yearly refreshes or that don’t do a good job distinguishing generations (sw1x, audio note, etc) because it makes resale highly unpredictable. I don’t think the company owes us a heads up, but it is behavior that will make me think twice before jumping
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Seems like the LIM and MIL were more recent than that. But I guess I’m getting old and time just flies.
The only reason I raise it at all is that generally the Yggy in particular has been a very stable product, it’s just odd to get 2 rollouts in a little over a year.
There are companies that people have soured on over frequent updates to flagship products Esoteric in particular had this issue for a long time.
I mean if you were an Yggy OG customer, I don’t really think there is much to complain about, I guess it comes down to if you see the LIM/MIL as new products or just optional digital boards for the Yggy.
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