You buying the full loom?!
Maybe I’ll try just one zl-8000s, depending on the price. But yeah you can have dibs, unless @rgdelato suddenly drives over (lives close by) and takes it from me 
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Hell I wish, still trying out cable options at the moment before going full loom on one brand or line.
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I had a gut feeling this would happen eventually… Now I know what my endgame looks like: allnic d-10000 w/ hpa-10000. Time to start saving, dreaming, and selling…
Price is $15k retail when I asked… OTL/OCL w/ pre-amp… 61 step volume… Asked about tubes but didn’t get a response (he doesn’t have his unit yet), anyone recognize them?
DAC output has also been lowered to match well with this amp, 1.6V. 
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Looks like a beefier HPA-5000XL but with more tubes. Because it looks like a 5000xl to my eyes, the tubes looks pretty similar which is:
• 7233
• E-180CC
• 6AN8
I know Allnic products in America loses their value quickly in the used market, the new Allnic DAC was like $9K for the demo unit or something around that price range when it first came out and the stock retail was I think double the price. I would probably advise maybe get one used or buy a demo unit.
1 thing I don’t like about this is there is no XLR out and only 1 RCA output meaning I can’t use this if I go with the mono block setup. I am still thinking about the Schiit Tyr and other monoblocks in my future, so I would like more flexibility on the preamp side. I think the preamp was probably more of an afterthought after they made a beast of a Allnic headphone amp.
Reason I am complaining is because if I can sell both my HPA-5000XL and Supratek DHT Preamp, that would save me a lot of room, cable, and money getting this new Allnic amp. No flexibility on the preamp side means the DHT preamp is staying and I got to spend more money to get this amp 
Man, this is like bad timing for me lol. Mojo Audio 17K beast of a DAC and now Allnic 15K beast of a headphone amp. Huge reason for me ducking the Mojo Audio 17K DAC is because I didn’t want to level up my gear to match its awesomeness. Now that Allnic is pushing a headphone amp in summit-fi, I think I might reconsider the Mojo Audio 17K DAC and push this in my conscious. Problem is I got to ignore everything and stop spending my money on little things and just save up for 1 huge upgrade a year. So maybe Mojo Audio 17K DAC next year and Allnic Amp the year after that. Then maybe Mojo Audio CD Transport. But in return, sacrifice my 2 channel speaker upgrade and put that on hold for at least 4 or 5 years…
I think first thing is to wait for the new Allnic Amp review to see if it’s actually good. The problem is that finding a review for them is extremely hard. Even finding a 5000XL review had me google translating Chinese and Korean websites. The newer Allnic amp is in even a higher price range than the 5000XL, so I can’t imagine more than maybe 2 reviews in English.
Either way, I am probably going to stick with my 5000xl amp probably 2 more years at least or maybe more if I become too disinterested in headphones by then. So that means I am looking forward to one of you guys to purchase this and tell me how it sounds!
Edit: I take everything back. You know what this reminds me of, the Allnic T-2000 30th AE. I never heard that integrated amp myself, but going by MON shitlist, I feel like it’s going to sound very similar to each other at least on a technical level because it’s also around the same price range retail wise. So both might be just a beefier HPA-5000XL.
Little summary from the store page:
Announcing the new circuit design by KS Park featuring the coveted 61-Step Constant Impedance Attenuator which preserves dynamics at any volume. New driving stage 6J4 and the KT170 tubes with a modified and excellent-looking chassis. MSRP $13900 USD. Black or Silver chassis.
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Oh don’t worry, I don’t buy at MSRP often. I’d be broke otherwise lol.
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Oh yeah @SaberPunch I asked if it can be configured to have balanced outputs for the pre… No dice. Though I was told XLR and RCA have nearly the same performance, aside from their linestage products.
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Thanks, I was more thinking the option for mono blocks power amp. For my Supratek DHT Preamp, I don’t really hear a difference on the RCA and XLR output, but I also never had a same tier of cables to compare it to. XLR input is a little different depending on the DAC, but XLR output was more for the monoblocks power amps for me.
Edit: I guess you could split the RCA actually, so that might be ok. Again, thanks for asking. Now just gotta think about how much I want this amp lol.
Edit again: just read to not do that. Will probably look up monoblocks rca specification later.
That is a BEAST!
Exciting that Allnic is remaining active in the headphone space. Hope it gets some traction
Can you elaborate on the monoblock issue with this preamp?
The preamp has 2 RCA outs so wouldn’t you have one RCA cable per monoblock? Or are you saying the monoblocks are XLR-only?
So there are some power amp like the Schiit Vidar 2 or the Aegir (I really do want to try this power amp from people impression on it) as well that only serve to be mono blocks via XLR. The only reason I want XLR output is for that flexibility. I know this sounds greedy, but I kind of want a preamp that I can just plug any setup to if I wanted to switch things up.
I am still thinking how I am going to do this because this is really pricey and these equipment’s take a lot more room than headphones. But I do want to try multiple speaker setups to see which one I really like before settling down. I know a weak link preamp or a bad synergy preamp can mess up a chain, but I really don’t see myself buying multiple preamp. Just want one preamp, and a DHT tube power amp, SS power amp, and multiple speakers from low sensitivity to high sensitivity would be the dream.
I’m thinking about how I want to do this more, but I should really be researching speakers show to attend to instead of just randomly buying equipments. It’s probably better in a long run.
With that being said, I really am just done with headphones tbh. After comparing the Susvara to the Polk R200 I posted to the other comparison thread, near field speakers with a subwoofer are just so freaking awesome lol. If a entry level speaker can sound awesome, I really can’t imagine what woulda mid level - summit fi speakers sound like. So me complaining about the pre amp functionality on the new Allnic is me just trying to find a excuse to buy it. The pre amp really looks like afterthought to me since it’s only 1 output, so it’s giving me 0 reasons to try this out or even buy it. But a part of me really want to try this out just because I love the 5000XL amp so much, but if I buy this, it’s me going bsckwards toward headphones again and I don’t want to be stuck on that loop. Heck, I should have started in August on my speaker adventure, but I bought the SR1a, Mysphere 3.2, and Susvara. I don’t regret it since those headphones sound super amazing, so my excuse for getting these headphones is that I am going to take it to my speaker adventure while the Onkyo A800 and ATH-L3000 will be my all time favorite headphones for my last current headphone setup for who know how long.
Side note: I was given advice if I do get this, I could be closer in achieving my almost Allnic chain of preamp and power amp. That is something I am always considering along the way…
Side Sode Note: I heard the Allnic HPA-3000 GT has a preamp output. Does anyone here tried that preamp function? If so, how does it perform?
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You can always convert RCA to XLR.
You have to make a choice how it’s done, and you might lose some of the power, depends on how the Amp is grounded.
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That is a possibility I never really thought about. Dang, I think I really do want this. I really can’t lie to myself and say I am not interested in this new Allnic amp. In fact, this and the new Mojo Audio DAC (the one in late 2024) got me talking way more than I am comfortable talking about in online forums. I usually like to lurk but it is just so hard to contain my excitement for those 2 products that it got me in a talking mood. Really like a release date on this new Allnic amp. But before anything, I think I should wait for some reviews to roll in or maybe when @hifiDJ try it out if he consider doing that. Also, if I get the opportunity to do a home demo, I might take that opportunity.
I talked about it with someone here, but having a separate dedicated pre amp is a lot of room and a extra plug in power. Simplifying the setup would be ideal.
@SaberPunch I was just told yesterday that KS (father of allnic) is willing to build a custom converter for it for an additional $100. They didn’t have room on the amp to put XLR (XLR needs matching transformer) so they had to choose only one output, which is weird because they have 5 inputs… Most headphone users don’t need that many inputs lol. I guess the transformer it needs is that big. And I’m assuming RCA is more popular with their customers.
I mean… You can buy one now if you wanted to lol. It’s just not officially released. Wait time is about 2 weeks or less.
Unlikely you’ll find a lot, there’s only been one review of their DAC still and that came out awhile back.
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Yeah 5 input is very preamp like. My Supratek Preamp only has 4 input and I only have been using 1 this entire time lol.
Kinda want to wait for the release and get a demo unit like with the 5000XL. If I do get this new Allnic amp, I got to sell my 5000XL and Supratek Preamp. I just really hate selling stuff in the used market because of shipping heavy equipment is always a nightmare. If I could sell it locally that would be ideal, but I doubt I can do that.
Yep, Allnic product just isn’t that popular in English. I think the only reason I found this forum is because this is like the only place where people talk about Allnic products at least in a headphone space lol.
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from ZL-5000 to ZL-8000S (power)
So I’ve had the zl8 for some days now and I feel ready to share some impressions. The zl8 is an expensive cable, so I’m only going for one of these for the time being. I experimented with which component would work best first since I only have one. It took a while since I had to shut everything down and wait for things to warm up about 2 days, and, in the end, I ended up leaving the zl8 on the hp amp, after trying it on all the other components, streamer aside (zl8 is too heavy). Trying it on the regen was almost equal to plugging it into the amp, but I didn’t get the zl8 flavor this way. I have heard a worthwhile difference on the DAC before but, in this case, I’m not too confident that there was a meaningful difference. I suspect the zl5 is the bottleneck since it’s further down the chain. But that makes things easier for me to ignore for now…
Main takeaway: A neutral and very clarity-focused cable with impressive amounts of detail, control, dynamics, blackness, and directness, while being extremely natural and organic. It’s a cable whose sole purpose is to please and impress.
Tbh I didn’t expect much of an improvement, maybe an appropriate technical boost, blacker background, treble shimmer/finesse, but boy was I proven wrong the longer I kept listening. The zl5 was already a solid cable in its own right imo, it’s a bit warmer relaxed than neutral, a bit bloomier in the mids, very capable dynamics, nice directness, and excellent blackness. It has a pleasing and reliable sound but it didn’t try so hard to impress you, it was more subtle in its approach. The zl8, on the other hand, is a f***ing beast, and a noticeable departure from the zl5, as mentioned above in the description. The thing that impresses me the most, among other things, is the absolute control it has over the entire frequency range. Being able to hear low-frequency energy oscillate in between my ears with plenty of air is an awesome experience (also a testament to how well the yh5k handles the sub-bass), and on top of that, it’s extremely natural but in the most neutral way possible. I can’t even imagine what a full loom of zl8 would sound like! It’s a fantastic cable worth auditioning down the road. I am stunned and mesmerized!!
Oh, also I wanted to note that the outer sheathing of the zl8 is covered in what seems to be cotton, though this is just a guess. It might be a reason why it sounds so natural. Another cable Co that comes to mind is Luna cables which boasts their use of natural materials, like cotton, on their cables. Their justification is simply because, to them, it offers the most natural sound. I haven’t heard any of their cables but it’s more just an observation I wanted to point out. I could be wrong.
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If anyone wants to buy a Allnic HPA-5000XL, message me. Will post more official details later.
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This mean you’re upgrading?! 
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Very Very Hesitant tbh. Still thinking how I want to do this, but I think its for the best. The worst part is I think I got to sell off my headphones which I do not want to do. I think I want to think about this very carefully and read what John told me cause $15K ain’t no joke lol.
So John sent me this which is the Allnic HPA-10000 manual:
The below is the Allnic HPA-5000XL manual:
So the Allnic HPA-10000 is basically a super Allnic HPA-5000XL with double the power and yet even more quieter which I don’t know how its possible (but I guess I never really plug IEMs to the amp, the Sony-MA900 is basically a IEM in terms of power and I don’t really get any noise from it).
I really don’t know how I am going to do this, but might as well while that feeling to upgrade is still there.
This is a blind buy too, so if the disappointment is real, that’s ok too I guess.
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