Allnic Audio & ZL Technologies thread

Very nice and congratulations on your desires @SaberPunch , questions I would ask myself include, what HP do you own that requires that much power? What change in sound signature are you hoping to get from the amplifier? This especially in particular, how do the different tubes he is using output a different signature?

This is a big investment and selling off HP’s to purchase a HP amp seems counterintuitive to me, that means I would have LESS transducers to actually use w/ the piece…:thinking:

It’s like me selling speakers to purchase an amp…why would I do that?:exploding_head: the whole purpose to purchasing another amp is to see what it does differently w/ transducers I already own and love. :hugs:

I’m curious to see what direction you move in, best of luck either way.:crossed_fingers:

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So my environment change pretty drastically in August. That is when I got the Mysphere 3.2, Raal SR1A, and Susvara. I honestly really enjoy the Mysphere 3.2 and Susvara much more than I was expecting to the point where I think these headphones are pretty much the greatest I ever heard for recorded music. I want to take those 2 headphones a little bit further in the higher end to see what they sound like because it already sound so amazing to me. If it can get better, I am curious to know what that better sounds like. But at the same time, I do not want to go backwards and be stuck in the headphone world.

So I also wanted to upgrade my Preamp if possible as well. I talk to John (dealer) and he said the preamp is pretty competitive with some of their regular expensive preamps. Plus with the 61-step constant impedance attenuator, I think that’s a good step up for both headphone/speaker setup.

For the sound signature, I honestly expect it to be very similar to the HPA-5000xl, but just over all better across the spectrum. It’s kinda hard to explain because I think the HPA-5000xl sounds already good across the Spectrum, but memory of the Viva 845 Tube reminded me what the next level can really sound like. I honestly can’t imagine the next level HPA-5000xl. So I guess I am mostly buying this to satisfy a curiosity and take this huge bet hoping this was the right choice.

Another reason is that I kinda want to do a Allnic build with a Allnic preamp and Allnic power amp. Allnic products to me looks impressive and make sounds sound really good to me. I still think the HPA-5000XL is my favorite amp under $10,000. If Allnic makes a better amp of my favorite amp, that makes me curious how it could get better. Plus, the Allnic HPA-10000 doing both preamp and headphone amp makes it easier to do that build while making the audio chain less complicated and less wires (because I connect the headphone chain to the preamp as they both share the same DAC. The RCA in my DAC goes to the Tiny Radials when I don’t want to burn tubes and just go straight solid state (my Schiit stack).

With all that said, I really don’t know what to expect from this amp at all lol. Just a blind fool that wants to rely on his guts and it pretty much paid off so far with my audio adventure. If I ended don’t liking the Allnic amp for whatever reason, I’m sure there is a return policy or I could try to sell it to the used market to get some of my money back. Probably will never return to this original chain as it’s really unique and the equipments are pretty much hard to find l. But that’s ok, because the experience and memories with it made this whole hobby and experience fun to me. But let me think positive and I’m hoping this Allnic Amp is going to blow my socks off!

Add on:
I just recently spoke with John and it seems the his shop will no longer carry the HPA-5000XL in stock anymore. So getting a HPA-5000XL will probably be really to get in the US now.

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While taking pics for the HPA-5000XL, I noticed something pretty interesting that I thought I would share here. I noticed my amp serial number is 23158. That is a lot of amps made if the serial number is the number of amps made over Allnic lifetime. I actually don’t know how old the company is or if its actually really popular in Asia. But if they actually made 23,158 amps, that’s pretty cool.


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Found a review of the sexy HPA!

I’m scratching my head a bit because he references it to his Viva stx which doesn’t make sense to compare. I understand it reminds him of his electrostatic experience, but it’s an energizer for a totally different transducer. I also wished he elaborated on how it pairs with the sus.

Anyway here’s the link…

@SaberPunch

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I gave it a quick read and its a pretty nice review. I don’t like that he compared a electrostatic headphone amp to a HPA-10000 unless the HPA-10000 can run e-stats headphones. Gave it a quick read, but will read the full review one day. I did skip to the ending and read a little more into details on that lol.

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I liked the way he described the HPA10000. Honestly, this is what I think of the Allnic HPA-5000XL, but I never owned anything more expensive so I have nothing to compare to. But I think the HPA-5000XL is a pretty transparent amp with good technicalities as well. Maybe some color from the tubes, but it’s pretty transparent for the most part to me as it’s a clean-sounding amp.

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I like the way he describes soundstage for the HPA-10000. I always like the Allnic HPA-5000XL soundstage, so it’s nice that the HPA-10000 soundstage is still impressive as well. For me personally, I like using this song Ikari - ReoNa to test out soundstage in 2023 just because there isn’t too many things going on in that song and there will be instruments jumping onto the stage and it gives me a good imagination on how the stage looks like in my head. I also just really like ReoNa vocals. On that song with the Allnic HPA-5000XL, vocals are at the same spot compared to the other amps. But for some reason, the instruments feel like maybe 1 foot further away from each other with the Allnic HPA-5000XL. It gives this illusion that the soundstage is bigger/deeper than it really is to me. The Allnic HPA-5000XL unique placement and soundstaging are probably my favorite aspects of the amp besides the Allnic amp being a clean-sounding amp in general. I hope the Allnic HPA-10000 keeps the same spirit of having a unique soundstage compared to other amps even in that price range.

The only thing I wish the review had was the preamp review. I think he only talked about how it is as a headphone amp and didn’t talk about its preamp features. The HPA-10000 is a headphone amp first and preamp later, but would really like to know how it performs as a preamp.

Not relating to the review, but I was pretty close to buying the Allnic HPA-10000. I was about $3000 off in buying it currently. So all I needed to do was either sell the Allnic HPA-5000XL or Supratek DHT preamp. I got a lot of offers (from USAM) for the Supratek, but they wanted $3000 or under and I still pay for shipping. I told them nope just because I didn’t want to let it go for $3000 to a stranger (and I guess their email came off a little strong when they wanted a lower price). I think it was a mixture of pride and I didn’t want to let the Supratek preamp go for that low (cause shipping was going to be expensive plus the Paypal Fees). I think around after I started using the Allnic HPA-5000XL around Christmas week and listening to my 248 “liked” songs for 2023 that I posted in the Japanese music thread, I kinda fell in love with my setup again lol. Then I started getting cold feet and came to a realization that $15K is a lot of money to blind buy on a amp to me lol. And even if I did get the Allnic HPA-10000 amp, I will get the feeling to upgrade my DAC to a $17K DAC just because I will get this itching feeling that the DAC is holding back the chain. And then I will get stuck in this cycle of upgrading my entire gear again and that’s something I realize I don’t want to do. Then around after New Years, someone posted used speakers more in the used sales thread and it reminded me that I actually wanted to upgraded my speakers since last August 2023 but I got distracted with headphones. Then I started reading more on speakers again and my interest shifted from Allnic amp to I gotta find my dream speakers. I think I feel very comfortable and satisfied being under the $10K range for my audio gear. Because I will need a year of saving to buy $10K plus stuff and its kinda hard for me since I have an impulse buying problem. I like buying stuff every few months. Heck, I even bought VIP Ado concert tickets for three people in December, Ado album cover songs CD from Japan, and other anime goods (a bunch of blu rays) I couldn’t resist buying in December. And thats not even counting all the presents I bought for people lol. That was pretty pricey. I think I would’ve maybe been very close to the Allnic HPA-10000 goal if the Ado fever didn’t happen in December. I am also very satisfied with my current setup and can’t really imagine how I can make it better besides getting better speakers. I was going to buy the Allnic HPA-10000 to satisfy a curious itch, but I realized its not worth it to me right now if I am satisfy with my current sound in my audio chain for at least the headphone setup. Back on topic, after I remembered that I like speakers more than headphones, I lost interest in headphones, thus making me lose interest in the Allnic HPA-10000 as its a headphone amp first and preamp feature was an afterthought. I might consider the HPA-10000 for the preamp feature if the price is lowered, but I think I rather buy an Allnic integrated amp or power amp.

Off Topic from the Review and more on me resisting the Allnic HPA-5000XL for almost a month:

I did kind of crack around Christmas week and I have been using the Allnic HPA-5000XL (alone with the DAC and no preamp) with the Susvara after like maybe 3 weeks of not using it. The Allnic HPA-5000XL drives the Susvara really well in terms of volume at least (didn’t really go over 50% in volume unless I wanted to play really loud). As how the Susvara performed with the Allnic HPA-5000XL, I don’t know as I never heard better amps besides the EF1000 Hybrid Tube but that was in show condition and I didn’t really care about the Susvara at the time. But remembering the EF1000 Hybrid Tube, it didn’t blew my mind. I will say the Allnic HPA-5000XL didn’t really blew my mind either, but it did still sounded really good in terms of clarity and bass. I also still got all the microdetails that I like from the Susvara, but the layering and imaging wasn’t there for me as I remember it when I first had it in Spetember. What really made me like the Susvara in the first place is its amazing layering and imaging that I didn’t quite get with the Allnic HPA-5000XL alone. The layering and imaging is good with the Allnic HPA-5000XL, but with the Supratek DHT preamp I feel like it went to the next level. It just feels so much easier to “see” the music with this combo vs with the Allnic HPA-5000XL alone. It really might be placebo as I probably in that “honeymoon phase” again since my old setup its technically a step up from my temporary setup in December. I also haven’t really explore the rest of my headphones again with my old setup, but I want to say right now that the Supratek DHT preamp help the HPA-5000XL go to the next level for me. Again, this might just be my honeymoon phase again.

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To add even more to my rep…

Gotta say these upgraded Allnic cables have really impressed me–power, IC, and digital. They sound nothing like their predecessors (different construction too), granted both aim for neutrality but very different delivery. The prior models have a bit of warmth and they do their best not to over-emphasize things while maintaining solid performance. The result is a reliable yet pleasing sound.

The new ones are straight neutral in tonality but they bring a whole new level of clarity to my system that I’ve not experienced until now. It’s like the window analogy but without the window if that makes sense. Such a crisp, clear, and pure sound with incredible directness and control. Large staging and a noise floor blacker than black. As far as my ear is concerned, there are no downsides to the whole line of upgraded cables–everything is elevated, and nothing is sacrificed. Even if your preference tilts the polar opposite to this, I reckon you’d still come away very impressed and highly pleased. The cables simply sound like music to me and they can maintain their composure at low to high volumes. To say that all these cables combined transformed my system seems exaggerated, but after my time with them, I don’t think that’s a stretch.

Some other observations I noticed were the long burn-in and effective noise rejection. They were super treble-focused at first but that evened out completely after lots of hours. There’s usually a hum when I crank the volume all the way to max on the crayon, but with these new cables, it’s practically inaudible. Not sure what noise/interference the old cables were picking up on but whatever extra shielding they applied on the new ones works very well.

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Randomly reading about Allnic because I’ve been enjoying my headphone setup a lot recently while waiting for my new power amp to show up. I came across this:

The HPA-10,000 OTL/OCL is the best HPA I have heard to date. There is a soon-to-be-released HPA-300B, but it is transformer-coupled. This unit also functions as an integrated amplifier.

Source: Welcoming into 2024 is the new Allnic HPA-10,000 OTL/OCL Headphone Amplifier, winning the coveted Audiokeys Reviews DIAMOND AWARD! | What's Best Audio and Video Forum. The Best High End Audio Forum on the planet!

If they make a 300B headphone amp with preamp features, I would love to get that if it’s real. I just got to wait for specs and pricing…

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Oh it’s real. Price should be similar to the hpa10k. But Allnic still suggests the hpa10k is their statement piece. The hpa300b is for those that want the 300b sound. I bet it’ll have their own 300b on there.

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That’s cool and it make sense the OTL/OCL amp is still their flagship as those amps are really nice and clean sounding to me.

I wish Allnic goes to more audio show so more people could demo it like how Audio Technica bring in their super amp for people to try.

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Looks like I got my wish came true (should’ve wish for a million dollar lol). It looks like Allnic bring their HPA-300B amp to Munich High End Audio show. Heard some good things, but $16K is out of budget for me. Did anyone here heard them in person?

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Actually it’s $15k but $16k in Europe for some reason. So same price as hpa10k.

John compared both (using susvara), says he actually likes the 300b more because it has better bass in terms of quality while still retaining more of that “tube sound.” But it seems like you sacrifice a smidge of detail over the hpa10k.

Other than that, 300b has less tubes so that’s another attractive option. Less points of failure.

Given I already have some 300b tubes I might consider the hpa300b more now.

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That’s good to know.

The less tube option is more attractive. You have to manual bias Allnic amps, so if a tube goes bad, it’s going be a while until you find the bad bunch of the apples.

John liking the Susvara more on the 300b is probably more of a preference in tubes. The way you describe the the 300b amp vs the hpa-10000 amp in the other forum reminds me of how Mick describe how 300b sounds vs 45 tubes in the Supratek:

I wouldn’t go far as to say the hpa-10000 sounds like the 45 tubes as I assume the hpa-5000xl and hpa-10000 amp are probably similar sounding amps as they have similar design being otl/ocl. What I will say is that the hpa-5000xl is a solid state sounding amp with a tube holographic soundstage and a more flesh out midrange. I imagine the hpa-10000 to have more overall clarity, more authority in the bass, and a bigger holographic soundstage compare to the hpa-5000xl just because it just looks like a super hpa-5000xl to my eyes.

Either way, both amps looks amazing. I would love to see one and listen to one in person.

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Not the new ones, at least according to the hpa10k manual, there is no way to bias.

Perhaps but what got me was the better bass part. More resolution and extension is what he said. Maybe it’s because it has 3 transformers instead of 1 like in the hpa10k. But that’s just my guess.

Btw, the hpa300b does not come with Allnic tubes, the stock tubes are EH 300b and RCA 5u4g rec. John used some stradi 300b and a different rectifier.

Either way I’m leaning towards the 300b now. Although my plan got pushed back cause I bought something to replace one of my main components.

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Holy cow Batman! That’s really a really nice qol. I don’t mind the manual bias since it only happen probably every 3-6 months depending how much I use the HPA-5000xl, but not having to worry that is awesome.

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Man, the longer I own the Allnic HPA-5000XL, the more I keep getting impressed with the amp in both the sound quality and quality of life. The HPA-5000XL is a pretty light amp (probably around 20lb) and easy to pack so I can easily take it to the next city and just setup the amp in like 2 minutes. I don’t have to worry about removing the tubes and the tubes getting damaged during transportation because they are in a protected case. It also drives everything I throw at it really nicely. I recently just drove the HarmonicDyne Eris headphone which have, 32 ohms and 118db sensitivity, and there was no hiss or anything like that! I was also using my Supratek Cabernet DHT Preamp with the Psvane Horizon 2A3 tubes as well and I still got a good noise-free background. I never really tried iems before since I don’t really buy any iems, but this is the highest sensitivity I ever tried and I felt impressed especially since this is supposed to be an OTL/OCL Tube amp. The Allnic HPA-5000XL is just a really handy and convenient tube amp. Sorry for bragging, I just had to get that out of my chest.

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Today I learned (well yesterday) that attenuators can feel as smooth as pots. I expected all the clicks on the 300b amp, but it’s so subtle you can barely tell it’s there. If I was blindfolded, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell if it was a pot or attenuator (by feel alone).

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Ahhh the Allnic 300b…

Tbh I’m still trying to find a tube complement that satisfies me. I don’t have a plethora of rectifiers so I’m basically starting from scratch. Not to mention, a rectifier that just arrived suddenly blew my fuse!! I’m glad Allnic thought to provide a spare in the compartment. Fortunately, the fuse was the only thing damaged… Maybe the tube but I’m not testing that out again (from wathen).

So for now, I have the Elrog er300b and a mullard 4-notch that I do like together. Still not enough, but it’s a good start. I’ve only used the Yammy so far since it’s the cream of the crop for me. I did try a utopia briefly and it was quite good too. Mysphere not yet.

It’s a bit difficult to evaluate an amp like this, but I will say it sounds as good as it looks… Well, it can provided you tube it well. I did find two standouts so far…

One is the bass. Big, powerful, and thunderous. Maybe I mentioned this before but the bass on the Yammy is incredibly sensitive. If the equipment is not up to the task, you will hear mud and soup. But feed it well and you’ll get something that craps all over anything the d8kp can deliver. However, there isn’t as much texture and agility as I’m used to which I get with the crayon amp. But I think that’s mainly selecting the right tubes. Still, the Allnic 300b has impressive bass nonetheless.

The second thing is the well-engineered 61-step attenuator. Truly, this is one of its most impressive qualities. It feels and turns like butter every time that it can get a bit addicting lol. Most importantly, it sounds incredible at very very low volumes. Such fullness, dynamics, control, you name it. It sustains that quality of sound at any level. Simply impressive.

That’s all for now, like I mentioned, I’m still trying to find a solid tube complement.

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The Wathen 5U4G I’m assuming is what you got and suspect blowing up your fuse? I remember there was a YouTube video (same guy that shill the Wathen tubes), he talked about how some amps made for NOS tubes might have issues with the newer production tubes. Obviously you are running the Elrog 300B tubes just fine it seems, but I thought I just throw that statement out there since the Allnic website mentioned NOS 5U4G so I’m assuming yours came with a set of NOS tubes by default. But then again, my Supratek DHT preamp was most likely made for NOS tubes in mind and I hadn’t had any issues with the Wathen 5U4G tube. So what I mentioned might not be the case at all and you might just got an unlucky draw on a bad tube or just bad compatibility. I think checking with your dealer on tubes compatibility and safety is always best before trying new tubes.

^This is from the wathen website for their Decware 300B bundle. 5AR4 rectifier tube might be something to consider maybe getting the most from your Elrog, but I would double check from both Elrog and Allnic if that is something you can do. I know the Allnic English dealership website says it could, but double checking with the dealer wouldn’t hurt.

Nice you are enjoying your amp on how it performs on bass. How does it compare to your solid state amp?

I got both the 5ar4 and 5u4g. The 5ar4 is what blew my fuse, I haven’t tried the 5u4g for obvious reasons.

The KR 5u4g works fine, so it could be just spec compatibility or a bad tube as you mentioned.

There was no specific comment by John. Compatibility shouldn’t be an issue unless they were purposely built with different specs, but I could be wrong.

It’s different for sure. I get more texture, agility, and extension on my crayon. In addition, I find it more accurate and recording-focused. I bet the Allnic can also do similar things but with the right tubes. To me, it’s obvious the Allnic has a higher ceiling for improvement and scaling; it can handle more. But with my current gear, the Allnic is a great improvement (and complement) but not a huge leap.

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I’m guessing any other brand 5AR4 didn’t cause the same issues or it’s not worth trying anymore? If it’s the 5AR4 tube compatibility, I would probably tell Allnic 5AR4 it ain’t it and update their page. If it’s just the Wathen brand or bad tube, then there is nothing much you can do. If you are going to write Wathen brand off, you might as well try to get a refund from them if you are not going to use them again.