Allnic Audio & ZL Technologies thread

Asked about the 300b…

Thank you for your interesting, It is in producing draft model.
After it will be tested enough, Allnic can sell it.
I guess it will be 1st or 2nd week of March.

Best regards
TH Park.

No word on pricing yet. Hope it’s not as pricey as some takatsuki lol.

Edit:

Pricing is in the process and warranty might be 2years.

Best Regards
TH Park.

That’s pretty nice for a warranty.

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Just wanted to to give a shout-out to John from Kevalinaudio! Man really helped me out with the tube replacement. He was out of the stock in the 7233 tubes, so he went out of his way to buy me tubes from eBay.

While waiting for replacement tubes to come in, I was using my Beta22 amp this entire time with my newly leather conditioner honey coated ATH-L3000 and yes my L3000 smells great with the new honey conditioner coat :slightly_smiling_face:. Plugged my ATH-L3000 into the Allnic-5000XL with its newly replaced tube and… WOW! Don’t remember if it’s a tube property or if the Allnic HPA-5000XL is that amazing, or maybe both. The Beta22 sounded clean, has great bass, and the clarity is really nice. But the Allnic HPA-5000XL just feels more organic, like the music sounds more alive! The sound just has more body, weight, and soul to it and I’m not too sure why. I know SS amps will sound colder and has more of a “recording” thinner sound compared to the tube’s lifelike sounds, but was the difference always this night and day before? I don’t remember, all I know right now is that I love the Allnic HPA-5000XL LOL

I want to wait until I burn in 100 hours (currently 50 hours in right now and resuming now that I got my replacement tube) before giving it a proper 1st impression review and want to give another report after 300 hours. I also like to listen while burning in so I can experience the changes in sound.

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Honey smelling leather conditioner? What make and manufacture? Any details on it please, I’m curious, I own allot of various leather products and this is intriguing me

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I use the Leather Honey cleaning kit. If you use the cleaner, it takes about like 3-4 hours to dry before applying the conditioner (how fast it drys also depends on depends how much liquid you use). Test the conditioner to make sure it doesn’t affect your leather negatively (small dab somewhere people really won’t see). Apply the leather conditioner either by hand or microfiber to the product. I typically like to wait 24 hours, but the bottle says at least minimum 2 hours. I think at least 6 hours should be the minimum before wiping off the leather conditioner. You can skip the cleaning part and just use the conditioner if your leather is already clean and brand new.

I use a small dab on my L3000 for the both sides and the headband. I get a hint of honey smell on my
L3000 and the smell is not overpowering since I only use a small dab.

Amazon Link: https://www.amazon.com/Leather-Honey-Including-Conditioner-Applicator/dp/B09RQ6KY72

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Will watch this later but cool to see this…

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That was a amazing video, appreciate you linking this. It made me truly appreciate the Allnics product even more.

The interview with Kang Su Park was interesting. The video itself talked about how basically most of their parts are made in-house, even the transformer. The name Allnic came from their signature transformer being made of all nickel core, hint the name “Allnic”… that’s pretty clever :joy:. They also talked about their in-house attenuator and I think the tube damper socket is also made in house. Now they are making in house tubes just because they want to reach their “dream” setup and I respect that. Honestly, watching the entire interview, I think Kang Su Park just wanted to make products that was deemed impossible to make and make the impossible possible. I respect that alot as well.

This video is definitely giving me a push to try out their Allnic tubes when that becomes available. Also gave me a lot of clues for my Allnic HPA-5000XL amp. I’ve been A/Bing with my B22 amp a lot and in terms of “clean audio” the Allnic headphone amp is probably the cleanest amp I ever heard. Like both the B22 and Allnic amp is very clean, but the Allnic tube amp had a special characteristic that I couldn’t describe. That’s why I haven’t posted my 1st impression here yet even though I said I would. I just can’t find the right word for this sound characteristic, it was my first time ever hearing this type of sound from a digital audio source. I hate describing sound has being lifelike and realistic because I think that meaning has been beaten to death with any new release expensive audio related equipment, but that’s the only definition I could think of lol. Even my muddy Audio Technica W10VTG got a lift in terms of clarity and the music was very engaging and immersive which was insane to me.

I haven’t heard a “tube sounding” tube amp for a long time. The last tube amp I had was a Transformer coupled amp which was the Cayin HA-3A. I have a La Figaro 332C OTL amp sitting somewhere gathering dust. I might give the 332C amp a listen to remember what a “tube sounding” amp sounds like and compare it to the Allnic HPA-5000XL. I always associate tube amps in giving that extra distortion sound. But in the video, it made it seem like the Allnic amps goal is to have very minimal distortion even though it’s a tube amp. That’s probably another reason I feel like I’m having a tough time comparing it to the B22 amp. The video says the Allnic amps have like SS amps characteristics and I agree with that. But, I would add that the Allnic HPA-5000XL tube amp has a added special sound characteristics (that I would hate to say realistic and lifelike, but can’t think of any other word for now…) that I hopefully will be able to explain one day. I’ll probably will try to remember to do that somewhere this month when I have at least 2 days in a row of free time.

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Yeah I just finished and i respect the man’s ambition. Would have loved to see more of their stuff, their DAC is looking me right in the face. Lol

If they make a higher end version of the 3000gt I’d be all over that for sure.

It’s how I feel about their cables in general as well. They do their best not to over emphasize or over exaggerate, they just tend to get out of the way without sounding too boring or sterile.

I bet the zl5 would pair greatly with your 5000xl. It did wonders for my 3000gt, it was quite the pairing imo.

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I’ll keep my eye on it in the used market. It’s hard to convince myself to buy it new, I think it was like $1500 plus new. The Allnic HPA-5000XL manual also recommended just buying Allnic cable for the best-recommended performance.

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They don’t pop up often in the used market for good reason imo. IME it’s better to just ask John. He’ll hook you up and the price will be about the same as when you’d get it used. Plus you can trial it for yourself and return it if it doesn’t work out.

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Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind. I’ll do that after upgrading the DAC power cord when I have extra cash late in the year. I remember reading somewhere that upgrading the DAC power cord was more important than upgrading the amp power cord. I’m guessing because the DAC is more susceptible to noise? But don’t quote me on that, that was a quick read months ago. If that info was false, sorry about that.

I don’t think there’s a hard fast rule for that. In any case, you’ll eventually end up with a full loom (if that is your intent) anyway so it kind of doesn’t matter lol. And you can always swap between the DAC and amp to determine which will give you a better result.

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Thanks, I’ll probably start replacing the Allnic power cord first later in the year since that’s a guaranteed improvement since it’s from the same brand.

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Just had a curious thought… If allnic makes everything in house i wonder why they went with waversa for the digital section in their DAC. I wonder what the story behind that was. If I recall, @M0N, you heard the waversa DAC right? And thought it was a bit odd sounding or something along those lines?

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So I’m still mixed on how I feel about that dac, to be clear it was very good, I just didn’t know why it was good for most of using it lol. Weird, in a good way. I will say that I mainly enjoyed it a lot pairing with my allnic so that’s probably a good sign lol, makes sense they paired up to make their new dac when their components already synergized so we’ll.

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Was just reading through the d10000 manual and it looks they’ll be updating it with a beefier clock in the near future…

The D-10000 OTL/OCL
provides connections for an external word clock. In addition, it is planned to update the D-10000
OTL/OCL’s current high-end internal word clock implementation to an even more highly advanced
mode in the next update phase, currently planned for within a few months of initial release of the D-
10000 OTL/OCL DAC.
It is also intended to provide an I2S input in the near future. This separate system will be connected
to the D-10000 OTL/OCL DAC by a proprietary method through the AES port. The I2S system will
provide not only PCM but also DSD and have the capability to support extreme up-sampling and cross
conversion between DSD and PCM. Details will be published at a future date.

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An all Allnic system is the dream :drooling_face:

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That’s cool. Any idea if it’s gonna a voltage or thermal regulated clock?

No clue, i don’t even know what the difference is between the two other than spelling :joy::sweat_smile:

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Haha. Fair enough.

My understanding is that thermal regulated clock are more stable, but also more costly.

*Warning
After rereading this, I feel like I got off-topic and just really reviewed my headphone collection. I don’t know how to really give an impression on an amp. I wrote a lot, so I don’t want to just delete this… If you want to read it, appreciate it, if not, understandable. I just wrote what I feel like the Allnic HPA-5000XL offer to my setup. I got about 123.5 hours into the Allnic HPA-5000XL amp in this post. You need about 300 hours to fully burn in the all-nickel core transformer, or so I heard…

Current Setup: Roon > Pi2AES Black Plexi (Ropieee) > [Wireworld Chroma 5 Digital Audio Coaxial Cable] Mojo Audio Mystique EVO Basic > [Audience Ohno XLR] Allnic HPA-5000XL > :crown:Onkyo A800

I tried RCA with the Allnic, but I feel like the Allnic sounded boring without XLR interconnect. The XLR interconnect provided a lot more juice and songs felt more exciting to me. I also tried to use only 6.3mm and no XLR since my other amps only use 6.3mm jacks. I also feel like SE output and balance output are the same. Input-wise, I would recommend going with balance cables.

Impression Post

All right, I said I was going to listen to my La Figaro 332C and then listen to the Allnic HPA-5000XL. The whole point was to remember the “tube sound” and wanted a bad example (La Figaro 332C) vs a good example Allnic HPA-5000XL. I also listen to my B22 amp to gather more characteristics from other amps as a reference. Before I have gotten to the 100-hour mark on the Allnic HPA-5000XL, out of the box the Allnic HPA-5000XL had great clarity. Besides that, don’t remember anything else being impressive. As the amp continues to get more hours in, the sound from the Allnic amp slowly becomes more and more impressive. I think the soundstage really opens up after the 100-hour mark and clarity also got a level, but not too dramatic compared to hour 1.

My brain started to think more of the Allnic products thanks to the Allnic interview video hifiDJ posted earlier in the thread. In the Allnic interview video, the founder/engineer Kang Su Park described the Allnic tube amps to be very special compared to the current day tube amps. 1 thing that makes Allnic Tube amps more special compared to their competitors is that most of the parts are made in-house, including the all-nickel core transformer and their signature attenuator. The reason for making in-house parts is that Kang Su Park wasn’t really satisfied with the parts offered in the market to him, so he just made his own parts. The whole goal for the Allnic amps is to have minimal distortion, musicality, and speed. Why didn’t Kang Su Park just create a solid-state amp instead of all these tube amps? Not too sure, but I think it’s probably why many of us own tube amps. Because that “tube distortion” just sounds so good. In my opinion, tube distortion help gives the body and texture to the music, and that helps the music sound more realistic to me instead of sounding thin like talking to someone over the phone vs real life. For tube amps, Kang Su Park like to use the OTL/OCL design. He stated in the video that both the OTL/OCL design is the best design for tube amps to let you hear the tubes without the unwanted distortion and unwanted artifacts. So in other words, he wanted to provide the purest form of music to everyone in the world. In order to do that, you will most likely have a vinyl setup using an all-Allnic setup.

I think with the Allnic HPA-5000XL amp, Kang Su Park successfully succeeded in a pure form of audio in a shape of a headphone amp. Listening to my La Figaro 332C on low volume, the resolution was pretty good for the $100 tube amp, but it was probably because I am using the Mystique Evo (basic) DAC. When I turn the volume higher on the La Figaro 332C, I notice a drop in resolution and the audio sounded more distorted to me. Switching over to the Allnic HPA-5000XL, the resolution was a lot better, as it should be, and consistent. As I slowly turn the volume up on the Allnic HPA-5000XL, the resolution still remains crystal clear. No hum, no hiss, solid black background on the Allnic HPA-5000XL. When I first got the Allnic HPA-5000XL, I heard some noise, but later found out it was my computer noise. Switching to a dedicated streamer, I can truly appreciate a true black background from the Allnic HPA-5000XL even when using the most sensitive headphone like the Onkyo A800 (32 ohms).

Comparing the soundstage with the Allnic HPA-5000XL with the B22 and La Figaro 332C, I feel like the Allnic HPA-5000XL help push for a more 3D type of soundstage like the music is being played around me rather than in front of me. I especially felt that with the ATH-L3000 headphone and even on the D8K Pro LE on certain tracks like Sing This All Together (See What Happens) by The Rolling Stones.

Bass on the Allnic HPA-5000XL is clean. That’s a keyword for pretty much all the sounds coming out of the Allnic HPA-5000XL, clean. For bass, I really like the Onkyo A800 > ATH L3000 > D8K Pro LE. I mostly use the Onkyo A800 for the bass test since its pretty good for sub bass and bass. The Onkyo also has that visceral sub-bass effect as well. I used the song Dove by Cymande and I was just jamming the whole time. Let me quote a fellow Redditor on how clean a bass guitar should be, “No rattle, no fret buzz, no compression twang, no distortion, no extra notes ringing, no amp hiss, and no hum.” That was really clean and I am not sure if any other amp could get cleaner than the Allnic HPA-5000XL at least under the 10K mark. For Rap songs with clean bass, I use Break the Bank by Schoolboy Q. As expected, the bass in that song was clean, not muddy at all, just very clean as it should be. Subbass rumble was tamer in the Allnic HPA-5000XL and didn’t really overpower the music. The Allnic HPA-5000XL had a nice balance of sub-bass rumble while making sure the songs since had a nice amount of clarity. I use the song Brambleton by Pusha T. Subbass had more rumble in the B22 amp, but it muddy up and can overpower the rest of the songs. That is why I found the Allnic HPA-5000XL perfect for my favorite headphone Onyko A800. The Onkyo A800 actually has a good level of clarity. The Onyko A800 clarity will get overpowered if you cannot tame the bass. The Allnic HPA-5000XL does exactly that with added benefits. I’m glad I actually chose right on the first high-level tube on taming the Onkyo A800, only had to spend a big 1 time on my perfect amp for my Onkyo A800.

Mids on the Allnic HPA-5000XL just sound so sweet to my ears. For Mids, I had to go with my Sennheiser HD580 Jubilee. At this point in the stage, I am pretty tired lol. I listen to the 2 Cellos, “Let There Be Cello” album. Cover songs were Hallelujah, Perfect, Vivaldi Storm, and Whole Lotta Love/Symphony 5. I feel like the Allnic HPA-5000XL helped push the Sennheiser HD580 Jubilee on how a Cello should sound, sweet, rich, and exciting. I had to do at least 1 female vocal, so I chose Stellar Stellar - From THE FIRST TAKE, Hoshimachi Suisei. Oh my lord… geez, this is where the tube sounds really help in my opinion. I feel like tube sounds really help recreate vocals in becoming more “real” and it really feels like Suisei is really singing in my ears. Her vocals sound organic like her vocals had more body, weight, and soul compared to all the other amps I heard with the Sennheiser HD580 Jubilee. Hearing her pause to catch her breath, the Sssss not hissing on me, the minimum distortion Allnic HPA-5000XL was truly magical on her vocals.

Treble on the Allnic HPA-5000XL. I forgot that song my co-worker introduce me to. It was a jazz song with high hats with a “delicate” touch. I remember sharing some DAC and he didn’t like it because the high hats sounded more aggressive vs what the artist was known for, a delicate high hat touch (If you know what I am talking about, a reminder of the artist’s name and song would be great). Whatever, I’m using the D8K Pro LE to test out treble and the song Wicked World by Black Sabbath. High hats :+1:. It didn’t offend me, it didn’t screech my ears, and had a nice decay.

I didn’t mean to write all this :rofl:. I think I ended up just reviewing my headphones lol. I don’t really know the best way to give impressions of an amp other than it drives my headphones well. I feel like the Allnic HPA-5000XL drove the dynamics headphones to their max potential. I heard a few people, like maybe 2 or 3 say that the Allnic HPA-5000XL is really meant to drive headphones in the impedance 30 - 50 and some planar headphones to their max potential. I feel like that is true as I don’t think I ever heard any amp drove my Onkyo A800 (32 ohms), ATH-L3000 (45 ohms), and others to this level before. I am not confident in saying the Allnic drove the D8K Pro LE to its max potential because I think the Onkyo A800 and ATH-L3000 sounded more amazing when I was driving the Allnic HPA-5000XL. I even liked the Sennheiser HD580 Jubilee more compared to other D8K Pro LE to be honest when I was driving it with the Allnic HPA-5000XL. Hearing the D8K Pro highly rated by many people, I’m sure I am probably missing something to drive the D8K Pro LE to the max potential. But I might be just extremely biased towards my dynamics headphones lol. I think the Allnic could bring out high impedance headphones potential at a high enough level. Probably not the best, but I really like how the Sennheiser HD580 Jubilee sounds when using the Allnic HPA-5000XL. Overall, the Allnic HPA-5000XL is definitely probably the best amp to drive your low-impedance dynamic headphones to their max potential with its pure audio and low-distortion design. You have to be a nutcase to spend over $5000 on an amp for dynamic headphones. But that’s a given that I lost my sanity when I picked the Onkyo A800 as my favorite headphone. The Allnic HPA-5000XL amp is not even fully burn in yet and I still think this amp kick ass lol. I can’t wait until I get to that 300 hours mark :grin:. I also like to burn the amp while listening so that my Allnic adventure ending will taste even sweeter rather than taking the shortcut of just leaving my amp on all day. Plus, I don’t think its a good idea to leave a tube amp on all day.

Reference Songs

Songs mentioned in the impression:

Sing This All Together (See What Happens) by The Rolling Stones
Open Qobuz

Dove by Cymande
Open Qobuz

Break the Bank by Schoolboy Q
Open Qobuz

Brambleton by Pusha T
Open Qobuz

2 Cellos, “Let There Be Cello” album. Cover songs were Hallelujah, Perfect, Vivaldi Storm, and Whole Lotta Love/Symphony 5
Open Qobuz

Stellar Stellar - From THE FIRST TAKE, Hoshimachi Suisei
Open Qobuz

Wicked World by Black Sabbath
Open Qobuz

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