Short High End DAC Comparison PT.1 & PT.2, Source Gear Progression, and General Thoughts

My plebian conclusions of the R2R DACs in the past week:

Chain:
Local FLAC/Deezer/Qobuz → Pi2AES running PiCorePlayer and Squeezelite/Logitech Media Server → I2S HDMI (Sagra, Wavelight)/ I2S Ethernet (Morpheus)/ AES (Yggy) → Raal PDA-1a new revision

Headphones:
64 audio U12T
Hifiman HE-6 (4 and 6 screw)
whatever else I can’t remember

Schiit Yggdrasil A2: The equivalent of audiophile junk food. Not accurate, not detailed, almost excessively too wild, fun, and fat-sounding that it can make the other DACs sound boring. Truly the American hifi experience. :us:

XI Audio Sagra: Technical and quite detailed but too dry for my taste. Isn’t very engaging to me for some reason. It slams, it has good control, but it’s missing some level of engagement like the other DACs. It almost sounds artificial, kind of like how I remember the Chord TT2 sounding.

Rockna Wavelight: A cut above the rest in technical capability like detail and slam while not being unengaging like the Sagra. Especially in Linear phase. Gives a great sense of space. Would be the DAC I would keep for clean resolving sound without being sterile.

Sonnet Morpheus: Forward sounding and kind of dense. And yet it’s pleasing and kind of relaxing to listen to. Maybe a tad mid-forward. Might have the best timbre of the DACs. Typical of what I am slowly associating with ‘NOS’ sound. Like the DAC equivalent of a Sennheiser HD600.

Higher end DACs I’ve heard in the past:
Chord TT2 with and without Mscalar
Holo Spring 3 KTE (did not use balanced outputs)

PS I hate DACs man.

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Getting tougher n tougher to ignore the Yggy…

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I keep hearing great things, but the reportedly poor single-ended performance was always the thing that kept me away from it. (Referring to the OG, I don’t know how the new “less is more” version compares.)

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I’d assume that still has issues, because the LIM and MIL versions don’t change the A2 output card

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Thanks for the comparisons. Based on your comments I’d think you would keep either the yggy, wavelight, or both. Are you done with dacs or planning on trying some other ones before deciding what to keep?

Also scored very high in DAC name tiering.

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Dunno yet.

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That’s a vote for the Yiggy if you ask me. Eating junk food, drinking and doing excessively wild drugs every day without negative side effects sounds fun! :sweat_smile: :metal: :metal:

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MON…

In your opinion … the SWX1 DACII SPK or Meitner MA1V2? Which way to go?

Psound

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Welcome!

Hmmm that’s tough, both great choices, what sound are you generally going for, and what is your chain you’d be putting it into? I can see someone going either way, so I think it would really come down to what aspects one would want to prioritize, and synergy with their source chain

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…also there’s this for sale. :slight_smile:

2 channel in small dedicated room, 12x15. Graham LS 5/9 speakers with Parasound A21 & P5. Analog is RP8 TT wirh Herron phono amp. Looking to add digital components… Dac and streamer. I want detail but very musical and organic sound, 3d and holographic. Hope this helps. Any info is appreciative.

Tks

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Gotcha, so in that case, I think both are great choices, in that specific setup, I’d likely say that the meitner is going to be the more smooth and laid back one, it’s going to take more of a relaxed and forgiving approach, it’s also something that I think takes a stronger micro focus into things and while it doesn’t really give up any macro ability it’s not the main focus, it’s very smooth, balanced, liquid, but still feels fairly neutral. Stage is good but honestly not all that stand out from my demos with it, but it does have accurate placement and organic presentation. Speed was solid as well

The sw1x in comparison might be a bit less detailed but does offer a more immersive stage that’s both larger and more convincing imo, it will be tonally denser than the ma1 but not enough to tilt anything too far, the sw1x will also not be as laid back and will be more energetic. Dynamically very strong, stronger in macro than the meitner but potentially equaling micro. Timbre is also better, tonally though it’s a toss up as both are organic but the sw1x is a sweeter and warmer tuning in comparison. For control I do think the meitner might be a bit more tight but doesn’t have the impact and punch of the sw1x. Separation wise this does feel a bit more lively here.

It’s been a bit since I’ve heard a ma1, but I think basically the real thing it will come down to is if you want a more relaxed, smooth, and chilled out organic or a more forward, energetic, and lively organic (with a bit more fun but slightly less technical ability). Personally I think both are great, in your setup I might honestly lean more toward the SW1X as I slightly worry the Meitner is going to be a bit too relaxed with that chain. But the meitner is a better value used for sure as most sw1x really don’t come down price wise that much. I will also note that both dacs are somewhat picky about the digital signal coming into them, I might suggest investing in a streamer/server or a ddc if you use a pc if you go with either of these dacs as it will be a good improvement

I’d also throw totaldac into consideration like a d1-core (single if you could swing it) for something as in inbetween those dacs somewhat for being very organic and richer leaning but still being pretty technical, I’d say neutral-natural in both signature and presentation, overall good balance and I bet good synergy in your setup

If you wanted to lean for something even more energetic and rich than the sw1x, you could also consider a mojo mystique (used to be the evo but now it’s the mystique x), as they are very very energetic, very expansive stage wise, and still very organic as well. I’d just potentially be concerned it could be a bit too much for your setup as it could lean too warm and too forward (but not far enough to remove it from consideration)

I don’t really think you could go wrong with any of the aforementioned options, it will really just depend on what way you want to tilt your system. I’ve heard the parasound and grahm, but I’ve got no experience with the rega or herron (or most turntable stuff in general) so I can’t fully predict how your system leans right now

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Hi MON,

curious why no Abbas Audio so far in your Tests (Abbas still builds in Ukraine/Kiew, just had a chat via Email yesterday), as Slawa has mostly copied Abbas and yes, Abbas also used some ideas from his work previous with Audio Note.

I’m in the painful process to decide for R2R with/without tubes. Also get a used Weiss 501 or Meitner (prices too high now), else everyone says thats the best in class. German Hifi retailers are extremly poor on modern/unusal DACs (most selling here Lumin, LINN, MBS, Aqua, Rockna, Lampizator) …no way i can compare products here easiley.

My current wish-list:

(1.) Used: Weiss 501 or Meitner MA1v2 (very rare to find used ones in EU)

  1. Rockna Wavelight
  2. Abbas DAC 5.0SE (SWX1, Slawa sent me his pricelist,redicilous compared to Abbas)
  3. Sonet Audio Pasithea

I’m a purist having ELAC Concentro S507, Rotel Michi X5, brand new Lumin U2 mini for transport. Decent cabling, Paul Pang OXCO LAN, Only listen through Quobuz and Tidal - dont like headphones and complicated listening with upsampling with Roon/HQplayer (NOS, or some simple filters to choose in the DAC).

I thought some months back to buy blind a Holo May KTE or Denafrips Terminator, but some Patreons also warned me, that they are special and must be tested before buying.

I’ve never tested any of the mentioned DACs in my chain and thats why i fully rely on honest reviews and it us not possible to do.
P.S.: i’m new here, Germany based and have to say i’m very impressed of this forum quality and awesome DAC Testing not found somewhere else, great THX!!!

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Welcome and good luck with your DAC searching!

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Abbas wasn’t on my radar when I had done my first comparison, and I didn’t have an easy way to get one for the second. I would be absolutely curious on how the Abbas dacs stack up, although I don’t know if I’m all that interested in trying more dacs at this point unless I would be replacing my main dac in my speaker setup. But interesting nonetheless and if I get the chance I will definitely try and hear them

I had always assumed that both sw1x and Abbas had taken some design ideas from audio note uk dacs, I had not known though that sw1x also used ideas from Abbas

If you are stuck, ask yourself a simple question. Are you willing to turn it off and on each time/day you want to use them, and do you have any desire to change the tubes in the units? There are both great tube and non tube dacs out there, I would personally worry more about the specific dac at hand since even dacs with tubes can sound wildly different from each other, so it’s more dependant on the specific design at hand

They are quite good for sure, I like both Weiss and meitner, all depends on what sound you are looking for and what system you plan to put them in

Nice setup :+1:

I mean ideally you want to test any dac before buying, both are good dacs but not my favorite, but all depends on what sound you want out of your system

Welcome! Glad you are enjoying it here

Generally, what sort of sound are you looking to go for in your system, what sort of sonic aspects do you want to prioritize? I think this is an important question to help narrow down options and figure out what sound you are after

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Welcome to the forums!

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How do you like these? …and welcome to the forum.

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Thanks a lot for your helpful response, greatly appreciated!

The ELACs have awesome tonality, very precise (their JET-weeter is awesome, yes of course not like a horn - dont have the room for) and with the Michi X5, quite some punch, even the look small, bass is really good.

I love precision listening in my music and majority i’m listening to contempary Jazz, Electronic and also love accoustic vocals.

The DAC will be used on a daily base, therefore i’m sceptical with tubes, also my TV I watch through those speakers (not sure to go through DAC, currently in the Michi X5 DSP/AKM AK4495SEQ).

Thanks everyone, love this very informative feedback and not bashing each other!
Gerald

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