FWIW this appears to fix my memory leak issue, server seems much better behaved, will take me a day or two to know for sure, but even just restarting it, it’s at about 50% of the memory 1311 was using, and I don’t see it steadily increasing in the same way.
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My systems all took the newest ROON update today and so far it is the first time in many many weeks that I have managed to get through 6 songs in a row and still going, no freezes, lock-ups or other such silliness as I have been experiencing for a long long while. 
I was almost 100% gonna drop the service completely and ask for a refund, the frustration and inability to get through more than a track or 2 before having to re-start and mess with every component attached to the ROON front end was really irritating me. 
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It’s certainly a lot better I’ve had it for a week or so.
I have one server issue since, didn’t spike in memory as is has before, but suddenly jumped to a ton of CPU time and playback stopped, had to kill Roon Appliance to fix it.
As long as it doesn’t happen again I’ll write it off as a one off.
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Sigh. I really hope they don’t fuck it up. I love Roon (despite the latest updates making some annoying bugs/issues come up) and really don’t want some giant corporation coming in and doing what giant corporations do (enshitify everything to extract as much wealth from users as possible).
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We discussed this yesterday, but I don’t expect things will change dramatically in the short term.
Usually when companies buy smaller companies (the smart ones at least) they don’t make radical changes until they flounder.
H&K doesn’t really have another software company they would want to integrate it into so if anything the only likely change might be long term focus.
The questions to me are
- Why did H&K buy roon, this could be anything from Roon needed the money and H&K saw them as strategic, to H&K had a plan to do something and Roon is seen as a way to get there faster.
- How does it impact all the other Licensors, if I’m a H&K competiitor do I really want to be strategically tied to a technology H&K owns and can change at any point in order to advantage themselves?
I suspect Roon has enough adoption at this point that most licensors will have to continue to support it.
Though I think this opens a window for a real competitor to roon.
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Yeah, great points. I just can’t shake the feeling that no matter what happens with this, the end users are going to be the ones who suffer.
I really wish they would fix the bug that has popped up since the last update: when I leave the app open but go back to my home screen or another app on my phone and then go back into Roon, at least 50% of the time, I get a blank screen and have to navigate all around to get back where I was. Previously, Roon just kept the last artist/album/whatever open and showed that as soon as you went back to the app.
When the queue finishes playing, it does the same thing 100% of the time. It gives this useless black screen with nothing on it. I have to tap the logo in the lower left to basically start back at 0 as if I haven’t been using the app extensively for hours throughout the day.
Just restore the functionality where it remembers what you were last looking at and takes you back there, PLEASE. I know it’s minor, but it’s fucking annoying and it didn’t used to be like this.
I love Roon, too. At best, Harman gives Roon the clout to get some more popular streaming services to work with them. Imagine if Roon worked with Spotify, iTunes and Amazon Music. I think one of the big factors that limits Roon is that you’re limited to Tidal/Qobuz. It seems like the Harman brands operate with relative autonomy but I’m no insider.
At worst, they’re just after some IP Roon developed and they’ll kill the product as soon as it has been absorbed. Or underfund it and let it die a slow and painful death. I’ve seen that scenario play out plenty of times. 
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Saw too late it was already posted elsewhere…
It was somehow to be expected I suppose, as a company its probably the right move. Further growth was becoming difficult to achieve, the unique selling points were getting more scarce as competition matured. With this move they should gain extra leverage when talking to the big tech and streaming services. Who can ignore harman/samsung in that industry? Even if others drop Roon, there are enough brands/products within the group to justify its existence and thus ensure a future on the long term.
For harman its also an interesting deal. Roon is likely already integrated with most their brands and Harman doesn’t have a decent platform of their own. Taking ownership of that dependency is already enough for them to justify the purchase imo. Harman does seem to keep its brands intact so in that regard it could be worse. Maybe bigger brands with their own platform will drop Roon at some point but I’m not seeing any smaller brands stepping up with their own solution any time soon.
In best case it could take Roon really next level: integrating with major streaming services, home automation, room calibration, … All kinds of next steps that would be very hard to achieve as a niche player in hifi with limited resources. For now I remain positive and hope the move will ensure the team can continue to deliver features and integrations to the community as they did before, maybe even better.
That said, the main reason is ofc that the founders wanted to cash in while things still look bright. It could go in every direction now. Just hope they will fully honour the lifetime as it exists today and not fork some subscription only version in 2 years time.
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interesting…the last update managed to actually FIX all my issues and am currently up and running 100% across 4 separate systems in my home with 2 new ones that were never able to connect before now compatible bringing me up to 6 endpoint locations. The last update was such a great relief for me…
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Maybe it’s just with the Android app, but it wasn’t doing this before the last update. #firstworldproblems for sure.
EDIT: it has happened three more times this morning so far. For the record, this is what I’m talking about:
I had the album page open, minimized Roon for a minute to send a text, then went back and got this. It also does this if I leave Roon open and then the screen turns off due to inactivity, on any page (including the Queue).
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Wow, no that’s a new one to me, even my very old Ipad which is crazy slow regenerates the page albeit slowly while flicking through each song at the bottom that was played while i was away from the roon screen. Although if ive been away for any real length of time sometimes it freezes and i have to close out ROON and re start for it to come back.
Clear your image cache in Roon and do a fresh reset of your device is the only helpful info i can think of @kerls …
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I’ve had issues with slow response in ROCK since the update. Fine previously. The Apple client is exceptionally slow when compared to the desktop client. Coincidence I know but if feels like they robbed Peter to pay Paul. lol
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I went a step further and just un- and reinstalled the app and now it’s working perfectly again. 
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I find it a bit strange that I haven’t had any issues with Roon at all since way back earlier in the year (did a refresh on my setup and profile in roon). Im using an old laptop as my Roon Core and an iFi Zen Stream as my Roon endpoint. My Core and Endpoint are much less extravagant than most of the other Roon users on this forum, which is why I find it so strange. I stream music anywhere from 4 to 6 hours without any interruptions or issues…
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Just take the win, my guess is they probably test fairly extensively with lower spec machines, since it’s one of the more likely problems. All the reported issues seem to just affect some small portion of users.
I think many of my recent issues are a function of having a lot of memory, my library isn’t that big ~10K tracks.
They just aren’t very good at testing across a broad array of machines, and the fact they decided to use their own multicast discovery protocol means they introduce all sorts of problems with network configurations. I’ve seen bugs where the suggested solution is to disable IPV6 on the server, and I suspect many of the odd bugs have everything to do with their network protocols.
Having said that they have bugs I can’t even fathom how they exist, like Arc always reporting a poor connection and refusing to stream until you reset the local database, the two things ought to be unrelated.
I’ve had the one major issue with memory leaking this year, and the occasional client becoming unresponsive issues.
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After moving to a ROCK and putting it on the same side of the network my streaming endpoints were I shed 95% of the problems.
I think there may be a lot of background stuff the Roon does with your database that can take days after an upgrade and thus the pauses and long delays when accessing some tracks as I jump from song to song even in the same album.
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If that’s the reason, they are doing it wrong.
I think it’s more likely it calls home to validate/get track/album info, or there is a problem with the protocol locally and it occasionally times out (though they would have to fuck that up quite badly as well). I’ve seen the client (both IOS and Windows) get into a state where it won’t display anything which to me implies there is something it does that leaks some finite resource.
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I’ve been in the camp where many of the issues mentioned have spared my Roon Core/Server (apparently they changed the naming recently?) I went from a 2012 i7 MacMini to a NUC ROCK, and it’s been relatively hiccup free. I say relatively as the latest release causing some hiccups, like losing the track being played. That was only happening for a week, maybe less time.
The memory leak issue @Polygonhell mentions used to be very apparent when the Mac mini was serving as my Core. This was around the time they moved from the 1.xx versions to the 2.xx versions. To be fair, I was running a 10 year old intel quad core processor which also hosted a Plex server.
I eventually got my act together and went the NUC route as I was not comfortable in setting up a Linux based server using Docker for Roon and Plex. I had the parts from hand me downs, well not all the parts. Needed a case, PSU, and connection cables,
I empathize for those of you dealing with some of the constant headaches Roon presents. Hopefully they can focus on these bugs with the new ownership providing the resources needed.
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Hey guys, i have been using a laptop with Windows 10 to run my Roon Core and i am experiencing some issues:
- Some times when i pause i can’t get press play again, it just won’t work;
- Some times when i change the EQ profile, the song will pause and i am not able to un-pause;
- I get a notification saying some artist page is not available from time to time;
Are these the reasons why people buy the Nucleus? I was certain a high-end laptop would be capable of running Roon no problem, it is even connected to the internet via ethernet cable.
Also, does anyone know of anything i can do to make it work better in my laptop while i consider a Nucleus?