Mojo Audio thread, Mystique / Deja Vu / Illuminati

So looking at used evos, and speaking to Ben, I made a move.

While i was looking at that b4b 21_esq evo, the seller did not want to budge more than $100 on his asking price. Given the sale price of the new overstock Xs with the slight upgrades, plus Ben offering me more for trading in the v2xa than i could probably get myself used, I took the dive.

For $250 more than what ive seen used b4b listed for I have an X on the way. There is a 45 day try out period, at the end i either send the X back or i send the v2xa back for trade in credit.

This also has me wondering if i should look into spdif over usb as even though he wont say it outright, it seems Ben is heavily trying to push that side of things.

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Oh wow! X in the house! Big step congrats! Happy I didn’t buy your v2 that helped with the move.
I might invite myself to listen lol

Congrats, I hope you like it. Ben did say outright to me that he got the USB interface to work as well as it could, but in his opinion, the AES and spdif connections are still better.

Edit: I do like the AES and spdif slightly better myself, but that could be down to a number of things, e.g. my Mutec ddc and Snake River spdif cable could be improving the sound.

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So then, i guess any spdif cable suggestions for the mojo? I imagine this is all the coaxial and not the AES?

Looks like depending on what tubes and where that falls a DH Labs, Cerious, or VooDoo can be up my alley.

Congrats! :+1:

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Or an allnic mu-7r :wink:
#allnicgang

Edit: If you want to elevate everything with an illumination on resolution and time-domain

I’ve only tried a Snake River Boomslang amd Audioquest Carbon S/PDIF and by far preferred the Snake River. According to my notes, the Carbon sounded muffled and constricted in stage in comparison.

I do own a Silversonic D-110 AES cable, which I use to connect my PI2AES and I really like that too. It’s very similar to the Snake River in tone and detail, just a small step behind, but at a fraction of the price.

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In my notes for such cables I have Audience 24 for smooth and rich and Transparent Cables or Tara Labs for more transparent out of the way options

This is surprising. I’ve never really characterized Audience with this sound, unless it is specifically for the AES cable.

ā€œSmoother richer and generally more vividā€ is how M0N described the Audience 24 SX AES cable to me in one of our conversations about potentially getting one :man_shrugging:t2:

Cool. Interesting. I always found Audience kind of hard to describe and I haven’t heard the AES cables. To me, I would recommend it to someone that wants a very natural sound that does presentation well. It really just gets out of the way. Natural timbre, realistic staging.

If I hear smooth and rich, I think of Cardas.

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@dB_Cooper @PaisleyUnderground
Can you share your experiences with how the Mojos play electronic music? Things that aren’t focused on timbre and being in a room, not necessarily recorded from real instruments…

Thank you :slight_smile:

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For me that stuff as well as control/grip is more a responsibility of the synergy between the speakers and the amp. That said, the DAC signature is less obvious given the fact that it’s all electronic yet it’s by far not negated. There are a lot of queues in electronic music that are still the same. Stage presence, instrument separation and positioning and the overall ā€œfunā€ of how it presents the content to you. It also would depend on the type of electronic music. A smooth DAC for a trip hop or ambient versus a more forward DAC for club/dance IDM?

Honestly, I wouldn’t complicate things that much, I would expect a good DAC to handle it all. I know that’s a somewhat unreasonable expectation but what I’m saying is that I wouldn’t sweat it on a DAC. Speakers and Amp is where I’d focus for a specific genre.

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Yeah that’s a fair answer. I’m just curious if all the fun is translated to that type of music with the Mojo. The Rockna is very direct and decisive and that helps with faster electronic music. Smooth isn’t something I’m looking for with trance music as you’ll lose a lot of the micro details and transitions. The Wavedream has that sense of power behind the scenes that I think adds a bit. I know the Mojo is supposed to have great impact and slam so that might help as well but perhaps you’re right and in this level it can’t really mess it up and it’s more about the rest of the chain. Thanks!

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Do you have 2 or 3 songs that show what you’re looking for? I’m busy most of the day but I can listen later.

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PSA:
Dont underestimate the greatness of smaller but great sounding gear. This X is a half chassis but man it’s still wideish, and just very deep. Makes the V2 look pocketable.
It looks like i will need to find a desktop shelf now. Im thinking the evo is bigger but i can put things on it, but its so much wider that with there may not be the space even with moving everything and placing the lumin on top. Looks like i need to go up, which tbh i was looking to avoid.

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I gave up trying to find it and just emailed Benjamin. I asked specifically about the V2 SE I’m getting from @dB_Cooper soon and he said that model in particular outputs 2.5V peak to peak.

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I think that’s what I’d messaged you before. It’s what I’d heard but it’s nice to have the confirmation. Wild that he answered during the holidays.

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The Mystique V2 SE arrived yesterday and I got it plugged in and decoding audio as soon as I could to warm it up. I finally listened today for about 2.5 hours after it had been warming for ~26 hours.

I’ve got a standard list of songs I use that all have some feature or aspect that I use to check the capabilities of my system, it’s mostly Nine Inch Nails and metalcore but there’s a few other random outliers as well.

Right away, there was an immediacy to music that I’ve never heard before. And it was such a live, organic sound that legitimately sounded, at times, like I was in the studio listening as the songs were being played live. Kick drums in particular have such a fast, satisfying thud with great impact/slam that feels and sounds like it’s in the room.

And the bass synth is missing its sharper edge almost entirely. Instead, through the Mystique, it sounds like an analog synthesizer is plugged into an amp and it takes on the characteristics of that riff when the song is played live; it’s much bassier and doesn’t usually have the sharper sawtooth edge that OS DACs really emphasize. It sounded more like a live instrument being played rather than a programmed synth and I haven’t heard it sound like that since 2005-2006 when touring member Alessandro Cortini was playing the bass riff live during every performance.

It is such a fast, punchy DAC. Summer of 2021, I auditioned the Atlantis, Orchid, and Pagoda balanced DACs from MHDT Labs, and the Atlantis (AD1862) w/WE396a tube was by far my favorite for the same reason. The Pagoda balanced had a wider soundstage and better layering/separation, but bass was bloated as fuck to the point of it being unlistenable and the highs were weirdly harsh and sharp. The Atlantis just sounded right. At first, I thought it was lean, but bass was just so tight and well-controlled that it might it clear how bloated and poor performing other DACs are.

That’s exactly how I feel with the Mystique as well, but it’s even better than the Atlantis, despite using the lesser AD1865.

In addition to that, the stage is so unbelievably wide…wider than any other DAC I’ve ever heard. There was stuff coming from at least 10ft outside the walls. And when I closed my eyes, the speakers just disappeared.

This DAC has once again shifted by entire paradigm. I thought the Lampi L4+/G4+ was the most holographic I’d ever heard and I guess it was until this DAC. This makes the Lampi sound flat and somewhat constrained both horizontally and vertically.

The Mystique sometimes had shit coming from the far right/left of the ceiling, both in front and behind. And while still not 5.1, this DAC is the closest 2.0 has ever sounded to surround. The Downward Spiral was released in 5.1 for the 10th anniversary in 2004, so I have that as a reference, and there were certainly times where things sounded like they were nearly completely behind me.

And the layering/separation is second to none I’ve ever heard before. The stage is so deep and tall, both of which I thought I’d experienced before but this has shown it was not what I thought it was. I cannot believe how many little sounds and layers I’d never noticed before were suddenly completely present with their own space carved out in the mix. It’s so engaging.

It’s not perfect, though. Highs are definitely missing sparkle. Cymbals are present but often lost in louder/more aggressive mixes. They often sound behind and below the rest of the mix. It reminds me a lot of how the HD6XX and Atticus handle cymbals. I’m going to experiment with a high shelf in Roon to see if that can help at all and I’m also going to use REW to get new room measurements to see if that has any major effect.

This DAC is also extremely unforgiving of bad source material. A few more modern metalcore releases (The Ghost Inside’s Get What You Give and Every Time I Die’s Radical) both sound excellent through the Lampi and my modded GDA-600, but they sounded borderline harsh and poorly mixed through the Mystique. Radical in particular, produced by current metalcore golden boy Will Putney, goes hard on the mids, bass is a bit anemic, and highs are very much in the background. It’s crazy this sounds good through other chains after hearing it here.

But for material that was recorded/mixed/mastered well, this DAC is absolutely amazing. I’m really excited to continue listening to this DAC and I definitely think I’m a fan of the Mojo sound.

For those who own newer and higher-end models, do those have better highs? I’m not looking for like Schiit-level oversampled highs, I just want them to be a bit more engaging and sparkly and present in the mix.

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I just wrote a long response and somehow wiped it and posted it a one word answer. That’s what I get for trying to answer before my cup of coffee. :crazy_face:

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