Does this mean that the mojo signature sound is changed or altered from the evo to the X or is it just even more of the same?
I donāt know, it was just someone being clever with words. I donāt think thereās a change in signature but from what I understand is that itās more technical due to the much improved noise floor which lets you hear more detail, blah blah blahā¦ you know the rest.
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I guess we are not clever enough for the 
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I keep going back and forth on wanting to upgrade the v2xa. There are a lot of Mojos evos at solid prices, but speaking to Ben the cost to upgrade one is a lot and in he didnt give a price but just said ānot worth itā. He pointed out the regular X is on a deep discount with some upgrades and unless I am wrong the X should start where the evo pro left off. He also alluded to a trade in so maybe i get something there too. But also, i dont mind papyrus fonts.
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In a way, the papyrus font is the true charm of the amp.
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If nothing else the smaller form factor of the X for you would mean you could actually use it now and not put it in a box for the unforeseeable future.
I know when Iām ready to upgrade mine and I send it to Ben, Iād be wide open to one of his offers. The problem is $6K including the trade is still a lot of cash and for that kind of cash Iād want the king of the hill SE or the PRO.
The cost is about $2500 to go balls to the wall PRO.
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In this case the full evo chassis may be better. Stack the lumin on top. The 2 sits nicely on top but the X i think is just a bit bigger and may actually yake more space once tetrisāed in. The base X is interesting, but its still $6-7k, almost double the used B4Bs i see.
You saw a used B4B for less then $4K? Those are the V3 prices I see usuallyā¦
Nah it was at $4.6k and me with some false hopes of trying to talk him down. 
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@dB_Cooper Is it safe to assume that when stepping up the tonality is the same and its just more technicalities, dynamics, etc etc? Or does it lean even slightly warmer, colder etc.
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Tonality stayed the same, and in a less resolving chain the V2 worked well. I didnāt even notice the shortcoming of technicalities when paired with Bryston, or the Pass HP amps. But it was very evident when I fed it through the LTA UL+.
I know theyāre also supposed to be not a black a background but I either canāt hear it with my old ears or itās just not as obvious in my chain but thatās where the X is supposed to shine, I think even M0Nās comment are about the PRO not presenting a dead silent background but the X is supposed to help there.
In the end the less noise present the more signal thatās discernible. Right now what I do know is that my bottleneck is not the integrated amp, not the DAC and not the source. So MONEY to move the ball forward and frankly I would have to really convince myself that the shortcomings of the Omegas for it to be worth my plunking down a substantial amount more money into a better set of speakers. No where near making that declaration though and if/when I do, the next pair would be my last pair.
If nothing else the Mojo has made me enjoy listening to music more and listen less critically which is something Iām enjoying, listening to a broader range of recording because of that.
That Papyrus font thoughā¦ 
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Thatās where Iām worried Iāll be setting myself for failure if I plug that into my chain. I want to try a Mojo and enjoy it like everyone talks about it.
$5K should do it.
Thatās what? A used 21 B4B?
Yeah, which is very aptly name by Ben apparently. lol
I know if I ever get the itch I can jump on an XSE if Ben ever has one on trade in. Living with the B4B I donāt think Iād send it in for just PRO upgrade. it would either be the XSE or maybe a future EVO variant as he was originally talking about. I donāt see that happening though as anything going forward will likely have the board design of the X. Who knows?
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That makes sense.
I think that for me itās most likely find a way to audition one, ideally at home, and then if anything itās get the X or XSE.
Depending on my situation at the time, either instead of the Rockna or added to it.
But tbh, Iām enjoying my chain so much right now that I would really need to want a different sound signature to do any of this.
This whole theoretical scenario is only likely to happen if Iām in a position to add on top of the Rockna which wonāt happen anytime soon for that kind of money.
The price Ben has for the X with the two upgrades at $6k is great, but one of the upgrades for the spdif im not sure i need as i mainly do usb due to better cables. And tbh to get what i would like out of the X its $7k. The used Evos interest me because they have some of the upgrades im interested in, but ben is being secretive about the cost to go from b4b to pro.
Im sure the EC can take advantage of the blacker X, but is the price worth it, or worth to go b4b ā pro? (ben thinks the evo upgrade is not worth it for tiny improvements). And i didnt get a clear indication if the base X is better or equal to the b4b or if it needs one or two of the upgrade options.
Hmm what else can i sellā¦
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That the problem with Mojo, itās so boutique small that youāre not certain of anythigng you buy second hand because so much of what he sells is one of based on options chosen by the original buyer.
The $2K to $2.5K price I got for the upgrade to PRO was through the guy I bought my DAC from who ultimately went for the XSE because of the price delta made it a no brainer.
I said it before, it seems like the X was a happy little accident fro Ben as it probably should have never bested the PRO as is was intended to be a means of cutting costs through efficiency not just throwing better and costlier component as it like the EVO.
I remember reading somewhere about ultra high end Mojos in the pipeline right? Around the $15-20K rangesā¦ am I confusing this with some other company or is that still the rumor?
@dB_Cooper how is this one different from yours if at all?
Only Ben can tell for sure. What you really want is the 2021 PCBs as they were redesigned with improvements and a bunch of the upgrades that were optional became std. in the B4B. Since it doesnāt actually say B4B in the serial number Iād ask if heās got some type of documentation showing what upgrades actually went into the unit. Itās a good price though and I doubt thereās a drastic difference between them.