General Power Conditioning / Regeneration / Distribution / Grounding

Never had it do that before, but yeah I guess I will there, no harm in taking the cover off at this point (although sometimes I am apprehensive to do so with some equipment lol)

I wonder if I can get another coworker to give it a shot in their setup, but a modern apartment building or especially office park is where I would expect big issues to also arise in, but yeah worth a shot.

I would just want to make sure it was a pure sine wave generator, and to be honest most of the quality of output of those are pretty garbage or potentially unsafe for some electronics. I could take it to a nearby data center and hook it up to an online double conversion ups or flywheel I guess, that would maybe be a safe bet to test

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Hmmm.

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DC is the usual culprit for physical hum. Isolation transformers remove that.

But I’ve had new transformers that do it even when I know there is no measurable DC on the circuit, and even when connected through an isolation transformer. Though it tends to be higher poered devices that really suffer from this, seems odd to have it on a DAC.

It’s most likely movement between the plates in the core of the transformer, though it can just be the transformer moving against the case, DC makes that more likely, but sometimes it’s just a poorly manufactured transformer, the bolts are loose, or in some cases just shipping it causes resin/wax material they encase them in to just not hold up well enough to stop it.

Tightening bolts won’t hurt, and even if that doesn’t resolve it, it’s unlikely to be a problem for the device outside the hum itself.

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Could also get a synchronous motor generator set, they are an old-school (and noisy, and inefficent) way to get total seperation from the power grid. The only link to the outside world is a spinning shaft between motor and generator.

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I’m planning a few upgrades to my in house power, and one of those is going to be focused on a better house ground, it’s a long shot but has anyone ever tried a chemical/electrolytic ground for audio use? They’re becoming more common and it had me wondering if the theoretical advantages of them would end up bringing any potential gains to a hifi setup

Also for those curious I had done some testing for in wall power cable, and personally I think the best bang for buck in wall is actually a slow twist of high quality solid core 10awg, I used southwire thhn and it’s been great. I compared to a test run of JPS in wall, and some sketchy oyaide and while those two were marginally better in my setup, they did not give enough of a difference for me to justify the price. All were a noticeable improvement of whatever standard thing was ran previously. I actually did also test running 8awg stranded, but found that to me 10awg solid was the best balance of everything (I actually felt that 8 was sort of forced vs the solid 10). Keep in mind I did this testing outside of the wall on my audio subpanel which you should very much not do, but I was not going to pull multiple runs to test otherwise lol

I also now wonder about the claim of ā€œjust use a hospital grade outletā€ after doing some quick tests of stuff, I kinda now personally feel like that’s not a great idea with how tightly it grips the cable (concerning wear marks on plugs) and the sort of focuses those have (made to be corrosion resistant and durable, but that’s not something that’s typically a positive in audio in terms of sonics). So far what I tried the most impactful option was an oyaide r0 which is just uncoated copper from what I know, and that outperformed a furutech gtx for my personal tastes, but what really surprised me is actually trying different wall plates and housings, I wasn’t expecting anything but I honestly think now that something that’s made to absorb vibrations and dampen does a lot for improving sound, I guess I never really thought about it but cabling can be a great place for vibration to travel easily (can be more noticeable in recording actually). Same with making sure the internal wire in the wall had some points to deal with vibration. This all feels really stupid lol. If I had to guess on the hospital thing, maybe it’s a skin effect thing where the more + thicker contact surfaces you have (especially if there’s multiple) there’s higher skin effect. Maybe that’s also why plating isn’t always a good thing, although I think that’s likely going to depend more on the cable you plug into it and it’s plating

Another realization throughout all of this has been the whole ā€œyou’re listening to thousands of feet of non audio ac cable so who cares about the last few feet you connect to your setupā€ makes 0 sense and I don’t really know why I didn’t catch that sooner, because I’m realizing that I did fall victim to that somewhat lol. That’s just not really how it works, those last few feet to the amp are doing a lot of the heavy lifting since electrons don’t flow through the cable, they’re just rapidly moving back and forth. Goes beyond me in terms of how electric fields work, same with the idea that things are traveling on the edge/slightly outside? of the cable and stuff, poynting vectors and all that, dunno lol. This isn’t to say that optimizing further and further back isn’t worthwhile, but I do think you can get a lot of the way there within the last 6 feet, and going back is moreso to just increase the potential available to that last run. A power cable and inlet are kinda the weakest potential link in terms of both wire quality and having a mismash of connections and connectors, it would be best to just wire directly into the wall going directly to the breaker but we don’t do that for, safety I guess. While we think of them as the ā€œlast mile,ā€ they’re also the first for whatever component they’re connected to.

Another quick note, I also fell into the trap thinking that I wanted to have the shortest possible power cables, but that’s also not true, shorty cables actually might be worse than longer ones when it comes to AC for how they interact with the power supply in what they’re connected to (sometimes acting as an extension of the psu depending on design), and actually a longer cable means more buffer and isolation from a potentially subpar connection and more chance to interact with and be impacted by the cable’s characteristics (typically in a positive way from my experience). It’s also more chance for some power cables to block/filter noise coming out of a power supply that could pollute other nearby connected components. Not that I’m going to run out and buy long ass power cables since there’s a point where you lose more than you gain, but I haven’t really worried about length as much anymore aside from just manageability and isolating them from the floor/vibrations/other cables. And they’re fuckin expensive for good cables lol, so that’s another practical limiter to length

Not that I really needed reassurance in this stuff, but I never really thought about the why because apparently that’s just a taboo thing to do lol. In hindsight a lot of this is obvious if I had stopped to think about it, and how it can impact my system, apologies to the people who read this and go yeah duh lol. Sort of frustrating to realize all this now, and see how unoptimized my last setup was, even when I was throwing in things like jps in wall and other tweaks without really understanding why I was doing so, and properly testing between things. If I was redoing a setup to my previous level again, I would basically start from my incoming AC and move back more than anything else. For my current setup right now? It’s not really truly best value to do all these things at the moment, especially when I don’t think I’ll ever get a setup like my last again, but it feels like some level of irritation, closure, and somehow borderline relief that there’s more to learn and optimize to get a truly good result. All of it is confusing, and both makes me want to learn and stay away from power in the future lol, it’s at least been fun exploring this more than I did before. I’m going to get zapped eventually though so I should stop while I’m ahead lol. Has any of this reduced the buzz? Nope, but it still sounded better lol.

I’d like to redo my panel(s) but that’s too costly atm)

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I’ve heard the same and I was fortunate to know that’s what I’ve got in my apartment. I think at this point it’s code here.

I think that’s been one of the most revelatory things in my system build. Besides room treatment for my 2 channel. Best practice implementation by addressing EVERYTHING in the chain pays substantial dividends.

How many people try footers, or a power cable or any one thing and say it was okay but it didn’t do much or wasn’t as dramatic and improvement as I was expecting. The thing is how much you’re really leaving on the table knowing that you’re not seeing a component in its best light and you then have to wonder how many pieces did you listen to that were so close but not 100% where you wanted them, that had you started working on the fundamentals first, would have more than likely reached that point for perfect harmony.

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The ā€œfunā€ part is that iso gear can alter sonic characteristics. Ive noticed it with a few different items Ive used, but that rabbit hole can fuck off. Just found one product that seems to do the overall trick and will stick with them.

Getting back to power, I have to agree on its importance and it is probably the single most overlooked aspect of audio. I wish I addressed it sooner. However, I do think you need to have a system that you are at least settled as being semi permanent before you dive in.

My proudest sense of meeting an audio goal was when I completed the power cable loom for my main rig.

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That’s a recurring theme.

and that you are intimately familiar with, it takes a lot of listening hours, but when you change something substantial like a good conditioner or PC, it’s immediately noticeable.

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Or be like me and get herbies since theyre on of the few that dont mar my shelve’s finish.

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That’s what I need to focus on as well, although I think I need to start with a proper rack, not a server rack cart with stuff stacked on top of it lol. Maybe I can still make something work with this though in the meantime

I gotta try those eq footers. I’d love to get a CMS rack like I used to have since that thing sounded amazing on it’s own, but can’t justify that cost for my current setup lol

Currently working on that and equally looking forward to finishing it as well. I think my last setup was lacking in that regard, as I had sort of blindly picked a favorite and went with it everywhere, now I’m mixing and matching more but better matching each piece to each cable and that’s felt more rewarding. But makes completing everything a bit more daunting lol

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