Allo Revolution DAC

I recently picked up this dac, and man is it cool for the price (friend pushed me to try it out lol). So much to tweak on it, and it honestly sounds pretty dang great (I got the xmos version one since I use windows). Something really cool is that you can enable or disable oversampling, personally I think the bypass sounds better imo, but not bypassing also sounds pretty great (still oversampling though), generally sounds more natural. And also there are the common filters there too for when you use oversampling mode (right now using minimum phase slow roll off atm, generally prefer slow roll off for the most part if I want to smooth something, still playing around with these, so much to try on this dac).

You can use sync or async usb (I used async), you can adjust the harmonics control which is really cool (2nd and 3rd) which can really help make the treble smoother and add more body and space, more enjoyable to listen to imo, honestly really sick. From my experience so far messing with the 2nd order was more organic sounding as they increased, whereas going on the 3rd made it sound a bit more analytical almost. I also decided to order the shanti lps and it did sound a decent bit better imo, improvement in control and impact, generally in increase in performance overall, tightens things up well (this does decrease the value prop tho). Otherwise just grab a decent but cheaper 5v psu, allo sells like a 15 buck one that is nice, but the nicer the psu the nicer the sq (for testing without the higher end psu I just used a random decent quality 5v laying around)

This is surprisingly well done for an ess at this price point, not many other dacs I have heard have gave you this much flexibility and tune-ability while actually holding it’s own in sound quality. Generally an impressive dac for what they charge, easily something that is pretty great overall for what it can offer in sound and features. Had it for a few days, and still figuring out what it can do, it’s hard to really say what signature it is since you can adjust it so much lol. You might be able to swap op amps in there too (edit: you can’t), but honestly I don’t think I will open it up as I really like it as is tbh. While I don’t think it competes with the higher end stuff, it really is surprising for the price imo, almost reminds me of my resonessence labs dac in some ways (almost lol), I would typically say that there is a performance gap between 200-700 for most dacs I have heard (off new prices), but this sits in between that gap and offers performance deserving of it’s price imo

So messing around in oversampling mode with some of the filters, you can get this thing really sharp and bright lol. By setting to brickwall and adjusting 3rd order to 8 and 2nd order to 0, it can be pretty dang aggressive and bright lol, not the most pleasant. So far I’m coming back to minimum phase either slow or fast, still deciding which one I like more. I can’t say I prefer the linear phase filters that much. The apodizing filter is not for me, almost sounds compressed and a bit lifeless. I am liking the corrected minimum phase fast roll off, but I need more time to decide how I feel about it.

Previously I had found a balance between 2nd and 3rd that more heavily favored the 2nd and with no oversampling it was pretty smooth sounding, pretty enjoyable, and for more warmer and thicker amps I could increase the 3rd order harmonics to offset the warmth of the amp, or switch back to oversampling mode

Update 1:
I guess quick update, so I ended up buying another one of these things lol, this time with the thesycon firmware because I actually started getting into streamers recently (gave the xmos version to a friend). I was also curious to see if the different driver models have any sonic difference (spoiler, not really lol). Also ordered their usbridge signature player with moode as a stack with the allo dac. And I gotta say it’s pretty sweet for a streaming setup, I can power both with the shanti, and it sounds pretty damn great and it’s pretty easy to use overall, if I needed something networked this would prob be my go to streamer for the price (and there aren’t many fully assembled/non diy streamers at this price lol). Also for shits and giggles I decided to hook the allo up to my living room setup (which I rarely ever do for any dac besides the kassandra, like seriously I haven’t tried most of my other dacs in my living room) but decided to use my main streamer to feed the rev dac (an auralic aries g2.1 with a leo gx.1 clock) and man was that really good lol, that just elevated that little dac way more than I was expecting vs going from a nearby pc. The usbridge still sounded good but nowhere near as good as the auralic. Something I did notice was that I think I preferred sync mode when on the auralic, but async on the pc and the usbridge, which is interesting.

Update 2:

Was another victim of my downsizing, but it’s hard to deny what this dac has for the price. Personally it’s one of my favorite budget dacs given you don’t need balance or spdif input, it has so much to offer for a very reasonable price, and can be easily upgraded later on so it can become a really nice stopgap until you reach things like a bifrost 2 or ares ii. Easily worthwhile if you are looking for one in the range. If you can go for the nirvana smps right off the bat that’s suggested, but if you can’t it still sounds good with their 15 buck psu. But you can experiment with whatever psu you want to later on

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Since you’ve raved about this DAC so much, I may wind up using it to feed my BHC/SB. Feed it USB from a Pi. Just as a little bedroom chill listening station.

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Yeah I kinda do really like it lol. It’s basically the only budget dac I think I’ve ever gotten actually excited for. You could get the rev + the usbridge signature player as a usb streamer and have a pretty great stand alone setup for the money

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Just had a local HiFi shop order the Pro-Ject DAC Box S2+ (Pro-Ject! Fix your names!) for me. As that will replace my Audiointerface as playback device, I could also get the Allo Revolution to run side by side…

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Coming back to this DAC as a Dragonfly Red plugged into my PC isn’t cutting it long term. I though it could be enough, but simply too many limitations.

Some questions about this.

Does it is benefit from a DDC? Reading about the syn/async USB input and how it handles internal timing, I’m thinking a good power supply will be enough, and reading through your review you didn’t mention anything about it so I’m thinking you didn’t even need to try it.

SE out is the only output so I’m thinking/hoping that it’s very good for its pricepoint?

Will be using whatever I get to feed my newly acquired Aural Audition HP amp and wanted to give it a better signal than a 3.5 to RCA out from the Dragonfly Red. Won’t have a need to jump into the Ares II or BF2 range as this will be primarily PC audio.

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Well, you can’t even use a DDC lol, you can only use a USB reclocker or nicer source. And actually yes it does benefit from a cleaner usb source, but I wouldn’t spend too much to get to that point. Pairs excellently with a usbridge signature player if you can use a streamer, but haven’t tried it with a USB cleaner that is actually affordable or makes sense for this tier of dac. But they are out there

I would focus on getting a nicer psu first though

Yes

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Good to know, I’ve already got a very good 5V LPS so may not even spring for the Shanti, but maybe I will… I seem to be hording LPS

Just gotta get a USB cable now with that shitty USB Micro end.

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One more question, if I’m using Windows only do I ignore the Thesycon driver then?

If you only ever plan to use it on a modern windows machine, chose xmos. But if you ever want to hook it up to a streamer or linux or mac pc choose thesycon, I’m pretty sure thesycon also works with windows as well but requires a driver install where xmos does not

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No US distributor for them so they come from the EU, I think it’s a French company so the shipping is a little steep. I went with the Shanti since you can never have too many LPS and the dual output is nice. I’ll be able to use it to power up the Sinxer UIP-1 that I also ordered since I had a bit of a credit sitting with Kitsune HiFi for a while.

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Allo Revolution in the house! It sat in customs for a week!

Couple of weird things going on that I have to look into. The L/R channels are reversed and it’s NOT my wiring. Another weird problem that made me scratch my head a bit… could not get the drivers to load at all.

I had the Singxer UIP-1 in line and windows just wasn’t having it. I took the Sinxer out of the chain, Windows saw the Allo DAC right away, then put the Singxer back in the chain and everythign worked fine. I guess the drivers for the Allo couldn’t load with the Singxer in line. So just a head’s up if anyone runs into that type of issue in the future.

Haven’t played at all with the filters etc, but I’m happy for now that everything is working as it should for the most part and I can listen to a real headphone now from my PC.

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Another day of fooling around with this Allo DAC and my Aural Audition amp. I’m really liking the combination as, well it’s probably hard to have this DAC not be able to synergize with an amp. I setteled on Filter 5 but I’m not entirely sure what filter it is as I got no documentation (or maybe threw it away) and I can’t find an Allo user’s guide on line.

About the H2 and H3 thing, it’s pretty wild how you can “nudge” the sound in the direction you want to. The Aural Audition is a powerful heavy silver box and it’s got a shit ton of oomph but playing with the harmonics I was able to push it to a sounds that’s not so heavy handed and it just give the amp more of a controlled feel down low. H2 is set to 4 and H3 is set to 2.

I settled on Sync as I think I like it better with it since I’m feeding a Singxer cleaned up USB signal to it. From the PC is def sounds better Async.

I know the price says $259 and it’s great there, but when you add the PSU and a reclocker the price creeps up for a desktop solution. I didn’t need to buy the power supply but could help myself, but it does need the signal cleaned up so the Singxer was a worth while addition.

I’m sorry to say that I can’t go back to dirty USB, it’s just too much of a gap, especially now that I’ve got the Weiss/LTA UL+ and VC as the chain I’m comparing this to.

I spent a little more than I should have but that’s my fault, but I have a PC audio that I’m very happy with all for under 1k total in.

One last thing, I knew my wiring wasn’t wrong but the Aural Audio amp’s left and right channels are labeled incorrectly. My OCD is having to put up with swapping the RCA cables around for the time being until I can change the red and white color rings on the RCA connectors on the amp. The amp has never been molested and I actually had to buy a specialized security bit from McMaster-Carr because I wanted to look inside the amp. I have just about every form of security bolt bit, but I’d never seen one of these.

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So, what do you think of the Allo? Can you give a short review similar to M0Ns?

My flatmates and I are going to splurge on a whole new HIFI system for our shared Uni house next year, wondering if you think the allo would be a good bet.

We were thinking of the Denafrips ares (which is of course r2r not an ESS chip) but Uni students aren’t made of money.

Felix

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Slightly derailing the thread here, I think where you’re at, the Allo, at least brand new, when added the Shanti isn’t exactly a good value proposition. For around £350-400 you can get either the Project DAC Box RS or a Mytec Liberty Mk I which is around the level of the Ares II, so that could be of some considerations.

However, I’ve seen used Allo with Shanti for around £2-250 on some local forum. Can PM or move to the general thread if you’d like to know more (although I haven’t heard any of them).

Actually @mochi beat me to it. I think it’s a great little DAC and I’m glad I got it because it’s small, and allows a lot of play so in a way I think you’d be hard pressed not to find a place for this DAC in any chain, since it can be tailored towards synergy. I’m happy with what it is and what it does.

That said, it needs a good PSU, and to get it over the edge to where you’re just happy with it, it will also need a USB signal cleaner of some type so you’re at least another $150 dollars into it. For that, might as well shop around for a used Denafrips or BF2 and be at a higher level for just a little more money.

I think the biggest limitation of the DAC is the USB only input and single RCA out. So it’s a very specific piece of kit. That said, it’s enough for most people in the hobby that would say a DAC is a DAC, and the configuration flexibility is actually useful in many situation.

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Does a 150 buck usb signal cleaner exist? would that be a network bridge?

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https://www.amazon.com/iPurifier3-Audio-Signal-Filter-White/dp/B07FM9DJP8?th=1
I wonder if this is the type of thing he means

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Im not sure thats gonna be able to completely filter a laptops interference, although it may be the solution at this price point.

Also foe much less this one seems to have better reviews
https://www.amazon.com/-/es/gp/aw/d/B08YDFH63B/ref=psdcmw_464394_t1_B07FM9DJP8

I ve heard great things about the singxer su 6 so that one doesnt have to setup a music streaming network, (I for one dont plan to set up one in the near future) but that one is 600 Dalla dalla, seems quality enough even for higher end stuff

Or these

There’s other options but they go above 200 and I wouldn’t buy those for an allo

You could go network streamer or server as well if you want

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Sorry for off topying but it is what it is.

This looks very very nice, I can get it along the holo cyan when I decide to upgrade my dac, thanks