ZMF thread, Atticus / Aeolus / Eikon / Auteur / Verite / Verite Closed / Atrium

Well I think the bezel and dampening system (it is all the same main piece) is the main sound sculpting piece, at least for the Atrium. It’s like the ported front baffle of a speaker casing. I think for other headphones it may take a little more of the cups flavor but i think they all get a zmf sound from the baffle assembly. It would be interesting to hear the same headphone and drivers on say maple baffles.

I think we will see or hear less of that with the Atrium.
The damping system will swallow a lot where the wood will penetrate as a note.
If so, it will probably only come in nuanced form.
At least that’s my guess.

I am interested in if he has an open or closed Verite. What wood he has now. And what aspects he would want to improve or wants the wood to improve.

He has both verites, Vc and Vo.
The VO is the Campur burl wood.
But that is certainly also a matter of taste and can be attributed to the chain.
But I have to say that I would also prefer soft wood.
I don’t hear much decay or reverb in the Ambrosia maple from the Auteur, that was different with the Cocobolo Aeolus.
You get used to it but it’s still irritating.

Depends on the objective. A resin or carbon fiber would give a sound that is more true to the driver’s output, especially if the baffle is also changed. Most likely faster, cleaner, think of a soloist in the spotlight vs blending in and complimenting the ensemble.

Maybe I’m old-fashioned in that respect.
I also don’t necessarily like drivers that are made of aluminium, they sound somehow unnatural.
For headphones, it would depend more on the implementation.
Especially with the Aeolus, it confirms my suspicions about the TPE driver.
It’s not bad, but it’s not exactly good for me either.
The lower midrange and the upper end are missing something for me personally.
Salop said even the Lcd 2 is my preference in that area.
I would be willing to do without a bit of bass.
It’s a bit of a silly example.

I have not, but yes, i think you even told me about the bass on an ebony pair. And gosh i wish i had a pair as an excuse to lawton mod because he has so many gorgeous cups right now. But it also gets doubled down since those are closed.

Stick with the Zmf, it’s the better Fostex in every respect.
But if you have the opportunity to listen to it, don’t turn it down. :smile:

So this reminds me of a point i was going to bring up. Zach basically takes up the neutral stance of “burn in matters if you believe in it and doesnt if you dont”. He should stop riding the fence and just take one side, preferably that burn in does affect his headphones. Then he can support that and give info such as what to expect and a general timeframe of how long it takes to get to a more final sound.

As for break in, i tried many things over the years such as sweeps, above average volume music playing, long sessions, short rests etc. Tbh i dont judge anyone’s method and i dont claim to be any be all end all on it either. For me i play it like i normally would if i were actively listening but just keep it on my desk while working. I pick it up when a good song pops on or just here and there. I play all my music on random.

I agree.
You should represent a line and stick to it and stand up for it.
Of course, it can never do any harm.
But in most cases, it always turns out to be a good thing.
Even my Aeon r/T was better after 200 hours when it was new.
With the Lcd 2, I have to say that I hardly noticed it at all.
It was good right from the start.
With the Auteur it was the most blatant thing I have experienced so far. It also surprised me a lot.
After receiving the next Zmf, I’ll put it somewhere far away from me.
Everyone has told me to let it play in for at least 200 hours, better even 300 hours, and then it will be there.

With the method, I would say that everyone should do what they consider to be proven.
I simply prefer music with a low to medium volume.
That should cover pretty much every frequency range over time.
I find the playing in more important than the method itself.
There is no recipe for it, also because of many opinions.

The pads were just a tip, that also happens with Fostex listeners.
Checking again and again is good.
I thought it might explain your impression that you found it best at the beginning than after a certain amount of playing in and listening time.
That maybe something moved that shouldn’t have.

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So i made a post months ago about how hardness (ie janka hardness) isnt the only dictator of a woods sound. And i think you just provided some good examples.

Camphor is pretty soft janka bellow 1k (sometimes burls can be a little denser) so i think here we see the headphones sound dictating.

Cocobolo is pretty high janka ~3k but you get good decay and reverb. Driver + a pretty good tonewood known to sustain and is pretty open grained.

The maple plays to what maple is to a tee. Pretty quick and clean, used in instruments to add leading edge definition. Hard but not the hardest and it has an extremely tight grain.

And once again i dont think these woods are the dominant shaper, that is still the driver.

To clarify (i was a little vague) i mean resin and cf for the cups and housing. Drivers are way different. I actually used to like some Aluminum drivers but now not so much.

I wish. It would have been a simpler fix😉. But as you described it the changes on a ZMF burn in are “blatant”

The cups are too thick for the wood to be a significant influence (there is some).
We’re not talking guitar top, or even solid guitar body here where you can feel the wood vibrate, I’d imagine the design intention here is to avoid transferring too much sound energy to the housing to avoid exactly what your trying to achieve in a musical instrument design.

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Yeah youre saying what i am trying to say in a better fashion. The thickness sure does play in keeping the cup more innate. The biggest difference it makes is with the inside surface and texture.

Since so much of it is not finished i would be interested in seeing how the sound changes if you went from a very dry to a very humid environment.

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spalted maple

spalted maple stand :heart_eyes:

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Very nice! I love the almost ink outline it creates.
Works real well with the black.

Also very nice photography in general.


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Thanks! Definitely a unique piece especially with some how spalting pattern the cups has.

That’s headphone porn! :laughing:

Great glamor shot, what a combo

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These Atriums just arrived that I ordered from the Hot Cup Summer sale. These ones are called “paradox”


I’m just getting used to how they sound with only a couple hours on them and will post some thoughts later.

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I would say listen to them and dont just idle break them in like i did. They go through an interesting journey.

What cable is that btw?

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Yeah I’ve been listening so far. It’s a Norne Silvergarde S3-C

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I like mine best with the hybrid that came with my lcd-24. I am sure that Norne is probably even better. Cant wait for your impressions.

Has anyone used the upgraded silver-plated copper Meze cable with their ZMFs? I’m trying to pick one up for my Elites, but they are hard to find on the used market with the 6.35mm connector. I’m using my ZMF 2K Copper cable with my Elite and Auteur, but I hate swapping cables so often. And I’m not going to lie, one of the biggest reasons I want the Meze cable is because of how great it matches the Elite while also being super-lightweight and flexible. I am interested in how it sounds, but I’ve rarely noticed big differences when changing headphone cables.

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Hello,
Another good tube combo on the Euforia.
Phillips RTC (6DJ8 tube) with adapter from 6sn7 to Ecc88 with my favourite tube which remains secret,:wink:.

Great bass with the Auteur finally punchy and deep enough.
Good attacks in the sound that come out beautifully.
Negative what I noticed was sometimes it lacks body like low playing piano where goes down nice and deep.
And sometimes missing micro details but otherwise quite good in the other music areas.
Still needs to burn in a few hours.
The first hours were otherwise very solid without any negative aspects.
For a small field test it was worth the trip, the auteur benefits from it.


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For all the love ZMF gets with tube amp combos, they can still sound pretty frickin’ great with a good SS amp.

Listening to my Atrium (aged cherry/copper) right now with a Burson Soloist 3X GT, and you still get those beautiful mids and slam in the bass, along with amazing overall control and sound stage. DAC is Schiit Yggy OG.

I’m pretty jazzed with what I’m hearing! :+1: :smile:

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Yes, i can also attest to good quality performance off the PASS HPA-1 amp for my ZMF Autuer. Very enjoyable combo.

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Have really been enjoying the Zmf Atrium that I got about two weeks ago. It’s got a lot of use even with having headphones like the 1266 and susvara around. Here are some impressions so far and the system I’ve used it on is Bricasti MC1 → WA33 Elite with 2A3 electro harmonix, EML 274B, and 6C45P electro harmonix tubes:

Tonality is very pleasing, it’s warm but doesn’t feel too muddy. It has a nice bass boost more in the mid bass range but still seems to extend fairly well. It has the most bass quantity out of the headphones I have but in doing so can come across a bit boomy in comparison. The mids are quite good for all sorts of vocal music but can sound sort of dry to me similar to how the Susvara presents vocals. The mids are more intimate though compared to something like the 1266. The treble is nice but sometimes sounds like it’s missing some decay or sparkle especially with cymbals that you get on other headphones. I had used the Atrium for a few days in a row without swapping to any of my other headphones and the planars especially sounded quite intense and overdone in the treble. But then adjusting to the 1266 or Susvara and switching to the Atrium the treble sounds abbreviated and lacking information. But on it’s own, I like the Atrium treble and it does not sound as dark as an LCD-4 or 5 in that region. (Re-reading this first paragraph it sounds sort of negative but I’m comparing Atrium to headphones that cost 2 to 3x so I think it’s expected that it can’t quite compete with some of the qualities of the nicer planars that I own)

I put this together when I was going back and forth between 1266, Sus, and Atrium so might help clarify some of my impressions:
Bass extension 1266 = Sus > Atrium
Bass quantity Atrium >= 1266 > Sus
Vocals 1266 > Atrium > Sus
Treble 1266 > Sus >= Atrium
Impact 1266 > Atrium > Sus
Resolution Sus >= 1266 >> Atrium
Stage width 1266 >= Atrium >= Sus
Imaging Sus >= 1266 > Atrium
Stage depth 1266 = 1266 >= Atrium
The one category here that might need some explaining is vocals. On some tracks vocals on the 1266 sound awesome but at times a bit distant especially compared to Atrium with it’s intimate presentation. Susvara has nice vocals too but it sometimes sounds a bit grainy to me.

I’m really happy with the Atrium. They are not the most resolving headphone out there or the best in certain areas but their tonality overall is pleasing and they are easy to just listen to and not worry about the details I’m hearing that may reveal faults in the recording. The comfort is great and I really like the looks too. I’ve experimented with the pads that it shipped with and I found the auteur lambskin perfs to be too bloomy in the low end but to offer the best comfort. The be2 lambskin perf pads make it sound more linear and balanced but the comfort isn’t great because the pads are very shallow. The universe lambskin perf are my favorite as they add a bit more bass quantity over the be2 while offering better comfort.

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Thank you very much for your detailed impressions. I am glad you are liking the new hp.
Your impressions on the 1266 were very surprising to me. My limited impressions on the 1266 is that it has very impressive slam, bass punch, and detail retrieval. The vocals sounded pretty synthetic to me. On the same chain, Susvara was much more natural and engaging, in respects to vocals.

Maybe your chain was able to make it sound better. Do you have any plans on tube rolling your amp? Happy listening!

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I agree and I feel the same or worse on the Treble from the 1266,
There are probably at least 4 (possibly a lot more than that) other headphones I’d take before a 1266 if it were about Mids/Upper Mids/Trebble alone.

But a lot of it is expectation, and possibly source material.

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Thanks for your impressions. I have (sus and TC) and had (Atrium) so really interesting to read. I find some of your observations quite different than mine and am wondering how much of that relates to the WA33 (which I believe is terrific for the TC, has some limitations with the Sus or at least not my most preferred signature and can be a bit much for ZMFs). Regardless, it’s great that you’re enjoying it! Definitely an interesting headphone that also changes quite a lot over time as it burns in, at least to my ears that is.

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