Yamaha thread, YH-5000 / HA-L7A

I don’t know why, but the Yamaha YH-5000SE gives me Sony Qualia 010 vibes. It’s probably due to the way it looks, but the way it got released reminds me of the Sony Qualia 010 as well. Both are expensive during release, both are huge releases from the Japanese Giants (Sony and Yamaha), both are limited, and both get either the best headphones ever or I don’t like this headphone review. Even in that German review, saying the Yamaha YH-5000SE has electrostatic characteristics, someone in the past said the same thing about the Sony Qualia 010. I don’t remember exactly if the Sony Qualia 010 took people like 6 months to like it. But I’m thinking the Yamaha headphones might be one of those headphones that you will grow to like since the sub-bass seems to be lacking and it has high treble, so your brain probably got to get used to the sound signature.

I’m thinking the Yamaha YH-5000SE is the new generation of Sony Qualia 010 at least for love/hate relationships (not sound characteristics). I am definitely going to try to get my hands on a used Yamaha YH-5000SE one day and got to give it the 3-6 months to see if I really like it.

More 1st impression on the Yamaha YH-5000SE

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What are you talking about? The rme is a magnificent piece of gear!! Lol

I’ll just try it for myself once I find whichever place has it in stock. Audio46 said the next batch is likely super limited so i guess we’ll just have to see (and wait).

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He didn’t mention his source chain, but he said it’s his favorite headphone (his previous favorite was the DCA Expanse).

Although I haven’t heard all of the DCA hps, I’m pretty confident that any one of them would not be a personal favorite of mine lol

Yeah, I haven’t heard the Expanse either.

The use of meta materials is an interesting (and innovative) approach for dealing with distortions. I was lukewarm with the Aeon that I heard, but I’d be interested to hear other DCA’s including the Expanse.

What would be your personal favorite?

Tbh i don’t really have one. But my chain was built around the mysphere so i guess mysphere for now lol

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So I think the reason why some found it underwhelming was because of the noticeably scooped-out upper mids. Upon first listen this made it seem kind of dark-sounding, lacking in energy, and poorly resolving. It was more evident in certain songs but I felt it becoming less of a problem as time passed, so we’ll see.

Issues aside, I do think these go for a more “reference” kind of sound akin to the pre-20 utopia. It actually reminds me of it quite a bit but without the party tricks.

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Well it’s the second listen with whole day burn-in and…

Yeah imo these fare very well against the other flagships. Good job Yamaha! Lol

Really the main weakness so far is subbass impact. I think (just a guess) due to its very lightweight construction and light clamping force it doesn’t hit as hard in the subbass like a d8kp.

While it is a bit disappointing I’m willing to take the compromise. It’s not really a big issue anyway imo, all things considered.

Also, probably not the ideal hp for those with bigger heads as the yh5k is quite small.

I still stand by what I said about the sound. Very similar in goals to the pre-20 utopia and in addition it has a similar stage presentation as an 800s. Harmonic richness is on the leaner/dryer side of things also like the 800s but not lacking in any weight either. Pretty much a cross between a utopia and an 800s basically lol.

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Damn, since I love my HD800S, this sounds like something that I would really, really like. now I’m very interested about trying them lol.

The leaner harmonic richness cold be resolved to some extent with a current drive amp? My HD800S definitely gained weight and richness I woud say, and since the Yamaha is a planar, it should sinergyze as well with it.

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Thanks for sharing. What pads were you using? And can you share the full chain?

Oh idk i don’t have a current drive. It’s not overly lean just a touch so compared to a utopia for example which imo has a slightly extended decay in general.

Oh and just to clarify further the stage on the yh5k isn’t as wide or large as the 800s. But imo it has the same kind of openness and grandness as it without losing any coherency . It’s not diffuse like the 800s tends to be in general but very focused with plenty of depth (might be even slightly more than utopia but not super sure yet) while keeping that “grandness” in tact. I mean if you look at both of them they’re very similar in construction lol.

Stock leather pads for now, I’ll try the other one later. Chain is Aries g2, linnenberg Satie, crayon cha-1…

I will try it on other amps and dacs soon.


Also just to add, I’m using a danacable lazuli ref with this. I’ll try the stock cable later on but I’m not a big fan with the danacable pairing. It’s still a great option but just like the d8kp I’d much rather get a brise for it. I think it can benefit a lot sweetening up the treble a bit. The crayon isn’t exactly super energetic in the treble imo but the yh5k seems to have a lot of energy still (or maybe it needs more time to even out). Also for resolution I’d say pretty close to the mysphere on this chain, depends mainly on what you focus on.

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Huh… very interesting. It sorta shifted a bit after more burn-in… will shut up and give it more time lol

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Any updates on the Yamaha?

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Definitely some updates… I thought it’d be a good opportunity to write an article about it so i already started writing something lol

Will share the big picture once I feel these have settled in. Should be pretty soon, last night it sounded pretty consistent to me, and I’ll confirm again tonight.

The whole article is gonna take a while though, i want to be as comprehensive with the comparisons as i can be to provide actual context… I don’t know how @M0N does it with his very brief articles, makes me appreciate the work he’s put out even more as I’m writing lol (thanks M0N!)

It’s quite impressive what Yamaha has achieved. Sound quality and your preference will have the final say of course but great sound + comfort is damn appealing. It has its compromises with the sound as well but for what i interpret it goes for, i think it’s a really compelling option. Though if you’re very picky with your timbre then there are probably better options.

And just to tease a little bit, i think I’d still take the mysphere and give it the slight edge on my setup, different sounding as they are. But for what I’d be using more often it’s probably the yh5k; it’s a close 2nd place.

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Sweet.

Looking forward to your write up. :+1:t4:

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As promised! Subject to change if I notice anything different once I try other gear. Most of these impressions are based off of how I think it deviates from the crayon and/or what i think it doubles down on and/or how it fares against the mysphere in the same setup. Probably not the best way to go about it but whatever, this is just my experience anyway. I’ll include actual comparisons for context whenever I finish writing but here’s what I think of it overall on this chain…

The BIG Picture

Current main chain:
Auralic Aries G2 (PSU mod) via lightning DS —>
LinnenberG Satie DA Converter (IIR filter) —>
Crayon Audio CHA-1 —>
Yamaha YH-5000 (stock leather pads)
[all connected to a PS Audio Power Plant 3 outfitted with Allnic ZL technology cables (from digital to analog to power) / all components are isolated with Gingko isolation products]

In general the YH5K, to me, goes for a very “clean analytical” approach. What do I mean by this? In a sense, its goal is to showcase clarity and resolution to the max. I don’t think this translates to being natural or true-to-life but there’s also nothing wrong with that. Tonally, I’d classify this as a neutral-bright headphone on this setup.

One of the two main standouts of this headphone is its extreme treble presentation, and I do find it on the brighter side of what I’d consider neutral. It is supremely extended, energetic, and airy while being very delicate at the same time. In other words, the treble is front and center but it’s never harsh or piercing, assuming synergy is on point. As a result, I think the YH5K handles organic music very well giving it a great sense of energy and life. There’s almost a sense of heightened clarity but without sounding artificial as to cause problems and, in effect, ends up sounding hyper accentuated which isn’t really realistic, but damn is it engaging. How they pulled off this kind of balance in the treble while delivering so much is really something.

The second main standout is its “traditional” but very open stage. What do I mean by “traditional”? Basically, you have a very defined stage boundary on your left and on your right (ie. right where the earcups are), resulting in a direct line of sight toward the center stage. And within the center stage is a very open, free, and layered view. Although it’s not a very wide stage, the depth and focus more than makeup for it. It sort of forces you to look forward toward the music rather than to the sides of your head or behind.

To briefly address its weaknesses, the YH5K lacks some impact in the fundamental notes (ie. sub-bass). It extends just fine but there’s not enough weight and impact behind it. Overall, it’s not a big issue with most music I played through it but it is a bit disappointing. However, the upper harmonics (ie. mid-bass) are punchy, fast, and tight with some nice added warmth (ie. not lacking in quantity to me), despite it being neutral-bright on this setup. The overall bass here is actually very good and I feel like I’m underselling it here with my explanation, but it gets overshadowed by how standout the treble is that I’m unable to give it justice.

Next up, I think the timbre and tonal density lean a bit dry here so for the dedicated timbre heads, you probably have better options out there. Personally, I don’t think it’s a big issue considering the presentation it goes for but it’s still worth mentioning. I will say that the YH5K handles texture very well so I think that balances the lean timbre a bit. In addition, you do get an upper-mid emphasis so the upper-harmonics do get emphasized over the lower.

What I think are standouts:

  • extreme treble extension, delicacy, energy, and air
  • very great resolving power and microdynamics
  • traditional yet very open stage presentation
  • very nice energy and handling of texture
  • a natural sense of dynamics

What I think could be improved:

  • stage width
  • sub-bass impact
  • tonal density could be richer
  • timbre might not satisfy the dedicated

Pretty great hp imo, assuming you like the standout traits I just mentioned. Adding to this, the treble imo is really impressive, not really natural but is quite unique in its presentation. Tbh I’m not sure I articulated or emphasized how standout the treble is lol.

As far as scalability and synergy pickiness go, idk. I don’t think I’m equipped enough to assess that accurately, but I know it sounds damn good on this particular system lol. Well if I had to guess, it’s pretty close to the mysphere on this setup, so it probably scales pretty well. There’s great synergy with the crayon though, that I’m sure of. The yh5k kind of offsets a bit of its smoothness and comes across as very clean and very delicate.

As far as the other stuff goes… comparisons, cables, pads, amps, etc… will have to wait until I get around to it. Hopefully this satisfied some curiosity around this hp, although take with a grain of salt as always. Perhaps i might have come off as too enthusiastic but I really think it’s that good and at least worth considering. I pretty much classify this specific setup in the holy shit category that’s for sure.

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Yamaha YH-5000SE is back in stock if anyone is interested

Been under the weather for these past few days so i haven’t touched the system since. But I got a listen in last night and i don’t feel timbre on the Yamaha is that much of an issue as i had initially thought. I think it’s just the upper mid emphasis that makes the lower mids seem lacking in weight. But the actual timbre seems on point especially with piano.

How much do you guys relate timbre with tonal weight?

To me timbre would be, does it sound like it would in real life… Tonal weight would be accurately capturing the shape or scale of the body of an instrument. Idk, maybe I’m overthinking this lol.

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I’m sure someone here could give you a better answer than I could, but I typically use the below link to reference audiophile jargon (3rd post from Steve Hoffman). I usually associate weight with how well it replicates the bass frequency.

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I like the start of that definition, “weight 1) The feeling of solidity and foundation contributed to music”, but I don’t espouse that particular trait exclusively to Bass. I think it’s more than that.

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