Totaldac thread, d1 core / single / tube / six / unity / direct / twelve / digital / streamer

@M0N This was really useful, as I’m looking for a possible upgrade to my Yggy.

The Totaldac d1-single-mk2 was at the top of my shortlist, and I was going to buy one last week, but I ended up purchasing a Mojo Mystique X SE in a last minute change of mind, because dealing with a US-based manufacturer is logistically easier for me when it comes to shipping costs for upgrades, repair, or even returning it during the initial demo period. Mojo is also offering a pre-release 20% discount during March for their new range coming out next month.

I was wondering if you, or anyone else on this forum, can describe the differences between the Totaldac and the Mojo house sound. If I don’t like the Mojo Mystique and return it, I will probably try the d1-single-mk2 next, but not if you tell me that they’re very similar.

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Oh sweet on the Mojo, that’s likely to be a solid dac going off the Evo (not heard the x so can’t comment exactly there), and also that’s a logical yggy upgrade in my mind as well, should be pretty nice, will be curious on your thoughts

Generally for how I feel vs the totaldac, I think from a technical level they are probably close and trade blows (going off an Evo B4B at least), generally signature wise the mojo is more clearly warm, along with a more forward presentation overall, whereas the totaldac is more neutral (but still warmer leaning) and isn’t as forward. When it comes to tonal density, I do think the mojo is overall richer and more weighted, but the totaldac feels more balanced and convincing with it’s weight. For resolution and low level detail they might actually be similar, both present it pretty organically too although the totaldac might have a bit of an edge there. When it comes to speed and speration I might say the mojo actually feels a bit more snappy and separated although sometimes unnaturally so. Dynamically both are very strong, with the edge in macro actually going to the mojo, but micro going to the totaldac. Timbre wise, it’s a toss up, both are really good here, although I would lean more totaldac potentially. Texture wise both are also very solid once again, but I think the totaldac represents it in a more accurate way, but the mojo emphasizes it in a more pleasing way. Spatially I’d say that the mojo offers better depth and placement sharpness while the totaldac offers better width and placement organicness, again both do well here. For stage blackness both are great. For overall coherency and liquidity I think the totaldac might pull ahead but the mojo doesn’t have issues with this either. For raw impact and slam I do think that goes to the mojo, for overall control and grip it could go to either, also potentially slightly leaning more toward mojo here in the bass (but the totaldac seems to have better control of the rest of the range). Extension wise the mojo does feel better extended in the treble than the totaldac since there’s a bit of roll off there, somewhat similar in the bass. I think overall the mojo does have some exaggerated contrast in it’s sound where the totaldac is more faithful there, just something to note

As you can see, they trade blows fairly well, and I think it will really come down to what you prioritize, if you want a stronger macro focus that’s more energetic, rich, and noticably colored, the mojo is your pick. If you want something a bit more neutral and refined/composed with more overall balance but still a bit more warm and organic leaning, the totaldac is the play. I do think these dacs go for a somewhat similar goal and have some similar strengths, but there’s reasons to go either way tbh, don’t really think you could go wrong with either. Also to be clear here they don’t sound all that similar, they just focus on similar goals

Either one should be a big step forward over your yggy. I will also note that both these dacs are reasonably sensitive to the incoming digital source and greatly benefit from a nicer digital signal so that’s something to consider down the line

Also I forgot to note it, but my experience with the single mk2 is only with it having the live power upgraded psu, I’ve not heard it with the stock power supply so I don’t know how much that improves it over stock

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Wow, what an amazing reply. Thanks! It’s made me excited about getting my Mojo, and also keeps the Totaldac in the running as the next one in line if it turns out that what I think I want (stronger macro, more energetic & rich) is not actually what I want.

The majority of my music is several TB of several decades worth of ripped CDs, so whatever I end up with has to be good with 16-44, and I believe both Totaldac and Mojo excel at that, as does Schiit.

Most of it is on my PC, and I’m slowly cleaning up the metadata and moving it to a NUC, where I can use Roon via a PI2AES. I use a Black Cat USB cable for the PC, which I’m really happy with, but out of curiosity, I ordered a JCAT XE USB card, which will arrive next week.

To bring this back to TotalDac, I will say that the owner, Vincent, is really responsive and always answered my questions within a few hours. He also never tried to upsell me - in fact he recommended that I should start with his cheapest model (d1-core), and then upgrade later if I liked it.

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:+1:, I have kept around my Mojo for that very goal when I went nothing but fun but don’t want to sacrifice technical performance either lol

Yep both those dacs are geared toward Redbook

Oh I’ve always been curious about those USB cards, never tried one, will be interested in your findings there

He’s a pretty reasonable guy from my experience as well

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Also just out of curiosity @PaisleyUnderground what are you planning to pair the mojo with mainly in terms of amps and transducers? I should have asked that earlier lol

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It’s mostly headphones, no serious 2 channel stuff, just some Emotiva powered monitors on my desk.

I have an ampsandsound Nautilus tube amp for long listening periods and a Burson Soloist 3XP for those times when I’m listening sporadically and my “how many hours of life are left on my tubes, I should use them sparingly” paranoia kicks in.

My headphones are on the warm side of neutral: Rosson RAD-0, Focal Stellia, ZMF Verite.

I’m still trying to figure out what I want out of equipment, specifically around how much do I care about the technicalities. When I upgraded from a Bifrost 2 to the Yggy, I could hear technical improvements that I liked. But when I recently spent a couple of weeks with a borrowed TT2 and M-Scaler, I could hear what seemed like technical improvements over the Yggy but I didn’t feel engaged with the music.

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Nice, been curious about the nautilus, seems interesting

I don’t think you would have any issues with things being overpoweringly warm or anything like that. Although I will say, potentially trying out something like a susvara, mysphere, utopia, d8kp, etc would also be worthwhile, and would better take advantage of the dac upgrade as well (and your amp too)

I would agree with that, personally while I can respect the chord house sound, it’s not really for me

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It grew on me when I owned a Dave but not where I’d want to ultimately go, but I can see the appeal.

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I will say this is more an issue with the TT2, that lack of engagement wasn’t as present on the DAVE, thought it was a significant step up there. ESP base TT2 w/o Mscaler, that’s really what held it back in my 5k dac comparison, just never really pulled me in. Gave me what was there with the chord house sound embellishment/polish, but not really engaging to me

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Quick question here. Is the d1-digital-mk2 just acting as a second reclocker? It kinda seems like chaining servers but I dont know much about the totaldac digital. Any logic here outside of just “I found it sounded better that way” (which is obv fair, just trying to understand whats going on)?

So the digital mk2 is reclocking the output of the k50, and that goes into the splitter box for the twelve. I already had the digital mk2 from when I had the direct, so I threw it in the chain for the hell of it, and it just sounded better so I kept it

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It’s the splitting the clock signals that confuse me with the TD ecosystem. I would think that splitting the signal would introduce issues just as much as solve them.

So they must see a lot of potential upswing by doing so. Taking a broad look at high end DACs they’re the only vendor I found doing that. Maybe they’re running the mono signal twice, one via each channel of the processor and cleaning or extrapolating a cleaner signal out of the two?

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So from what I know, it’s not exactly splitting it in the sense of separating channels as it is just outputting 2 versions of the exact same signal. I’m pretty sure the dac just selects the channel it needs from the stream. The way the monoblock dacs work is one is a master unit (left) and the other is the slave (right), so the left channel is controlling the right, rather than the splitter box handling that, so I’m pretty sure that as long as you are able to feed them with the exact same incoming digital signal, you could use something else to feed them outside of the totaldac digital box, pretty sure that digital box is just another reclocker but modified with 2 outputs.

Esoteric and ch precision do it as well, and a few others. At least for running actual monoblock dacs, how they actually do it I haven’t looked into it. But yeah I’m pretty sure it’s just pushing out 2 of the same signal and the dac modules decide and making sure the modules themselves are clocked together.

At this point I’ve just stopped caring how things are actually accomplished, and just worried about the fact that they either did or didn’t pull it off lol

The larger potential concern really is likely trying to get the dacs to clock properly with the interlink between them. That’s always been a strong discussion for keeping the clock internal or using an external master clock to link components in studio, there’s benifits on either side

All your doing Is sending the same signal to both, any dac with 2 ADC chips does the same, just inside one box. It’d only really be an issue if the two signals got skewed by a significant part of 1 sample, and I doubt they get close to that.

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you do know twelve mk3 is dropping soon too, right? :wink:

It already dropped, I know people who have one already. I will send the mk2 I got in for an upgrade in a few months. I was actually just going to straight up trade in for the mk3, but I just happened to get lucky with a mk2 deal and went that route instead

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look at me behind the times. I didnt realize you were that ready for the 12 though. I kinda thought you only did it cause the opportunity came up. Like a “this would be cool, oh hey I know someone selling thats will give me a deal I like”

Nah I was literally already ready to buy the twelve mk3, but then my friend offered his mk2 for pac swap, entirely coincidental

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which seems like a damn good deal given what I see the two advertizied at (even if you already had reclokers/streamers/etc). Anyways, im glad you like it and im vaugely jealous since the total dac sound seems right up my alley

I was basically already in the totaldac ecosystem, so I could carry forward my monoblock drivers, live power multi box, and digital-mk2 so it made total sense to move to a twelve in my mind since I already loved the direct

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