The Turntable thread

I have noticed at least several of us listen to vinyl so it might be nice to have a thread to discuss analogue sources. This is not specific to any turntable brand as I’m not sure we have enough folks so might be nice to just collect all discussion in one place.

Post pics, questions, reviews or anything else related to your turntables in this thread.

I’ll start by asking a silly question - do you stop the table when flipping the record or just carefully lift it and drop it back without stopping the table??

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I always stop the platter , the button is right there. I have never heard of anyone outside of the DJ world not stopping the platter and their TT are way more robust for that kind of thing.

When you say table, we are talking about the platter, right?

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This is what I use. It’s turnkey so easy for me, but I haven’t invested enough into vinyl to know how much better it can get. The biggest issue is that currently I’m headphones only, and vinyl on headphones is just a little odd to me. The pops/clicks are a bit too prominent despite record cleaning.

I inherited a lot of records when cleaning out my dad’s stuff. He collected over his whole lifetime, including a lot of European large orchestral pieces that I’m not sure if they ever were on digital.

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I have a very simple turntable setup at the moment with a Fluance RT85 (stock Ortofon 2M Blue and upgraded third party feet from mnpctech) connected to a ifi Phono with Kimber Hero RCAs and the ifi uses a balanced 4.4 to dual 3pin XLRs from Hart Audio to whatever amp I have at the moment.

I know it can definitely get better than this and I really want to make the jump but every time when I think of the cost of records and effort of collecting I eventually get to the same conclusion - money is probably better invested in another part of the system. But I really want to!

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Forgot to post my table, oops!

This has been my second go with a turntable set up, my first was on 2008 and I failed miserably at not understanding some basic keys to turntable set up. Putting too much money into a table without regard to cart, tone-arm, and phono stage matching was the death of me along with applying a mindset where I attributed the wrong noise as problematic.

This is a MoFi StudioDeck upgraded with their MasterTracker cartridge, phono stage is a Musical Fidelity X-LPS V3 which can handle both MM and MC carts. Why did I go for this table and cart combo? Ease of use, flexibility in matching with phono stages, and dead simple set up in regards to VTA, VTF, and Anti-Skate. Dead simple!

Some tips for maintaining during typical use, and typical maintenance:

Grab a few accessories to make these andjustments easy, and to spot check every so often. I check once a week to make sure nothing was accidentally bumped:

  • Scale for cartridge stylus force, you want to cross reference against the carts weight range
  • level block to ensure tone arm is vertical when needle is in the groove (VTA)
  • Protractor such as this for confirming the set up at the factory or shop was done properly: Feickert - Next Generation Cartridge Alignment Tool - Music Direct

Clean your vinyl, and not just once but often, especially when you first receive them as they often come from the pressing factory with all sorts of crap in the grooves.

Deep clean with a vacuum type, or ultrasonic cleaner once a month. If collection is too large, rotate every month a batch.

Do a quick dry or wet brush clean on each side before playing, and buy a static gun to de-static each time you play (will minimize a lot of noise which generates those pops and clicks).

Also clean the stylus, not too aggressively, use one of those tiny brushed which have small mini brushes to remove dust. You would be surprised at what gets in there even with a cart cover and table dust cover.

Oh, when playing an album, don’t leave that dust cover box on, completely remove it or it will fuck up the leveling of your plinth.

Buy a record weight, make sure it’s appropriate for your table and not some cheap heavy block or metal.

Greasy the bearing the platter spins on every 6 months, and never ever push it down, let it naturally fall into place. Could take a few hours, you can play while that is happening, won’t do any harm.

If belt driven, change your belts out at least once a year, don’t touch them with dirty hands as it will degrade them quick. Always have back ups on hand.

Store them in rice paper sleeves which fit inside the thick card board sleeve. Will help keep dust and debris out and less harmful than the stock sleeves. If they have artwork on them buy a a plastic binder cover with inserts to store them in.

When shopping, do some research. Not all pressings are the same, identify if they came from the analog masters or converted to digital masters. A re-master may or may not be great, actually could suck a lot.

Look for 180g unless it never was released in any 180g form.
What else….im missing a few things as it’s getting late. Surely will have to edit later.

Approach it with logic, not price point, do the maintenance and cleaning required, match the phono, don’t go for an MC cart until you are better versed in cart loading and phono stages. While not as convenient as CD or streaming, there is a certain ritualistic/meditivae zen vibe to listening to vinyl. It’s a deliberate choice, and you want to enjoy the album as a whole.

Good luck.

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Yeah, maybe a little odd and not all related to album cleaning. Could be the stylus is scraping the inner or outer groove, have you looked at the front alignment lately?

Could be phono stage loading mismatch. There is a calculator to identify the optimal load, need to find it. Don’t google for one, many are not accurate, I found out the hard way years ago.

Also, invest in an anti-static brush or zapper. This is the best out there and reasonably priced:

Milty 5036694022153 Zerostat 3 Anti-Static Gun, Blue Amazon.com

It’s not going to be 100% silent like digital, yet it should sound a hell of a lot better. You have a very good table, would say it’s a bit more than turnkey, yet it’s easier than others in that price range to maintain.

I’m happy to share what I know to help out, while by no means am I an expert, I learned a lot by making mistakes.

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Not sure if you are aware, MM carts are not balanced and actually quite bad if used balanced, even if the conversion is done in the phono stage. This could explain why you had issue with the Skoll if you were outputting balanced to your amp. If you want to go balanced, invest in an MC cart.

Running a vinyl set up requires a willingness to spend if you are as serious about it as the rest of your system. That is a personal choice if one chooses to do it, do it right, or don’t do it. I will be extremely blunt: half-assing it would be pointless, like going to a party and not going inside and looking in through a window watching everyone else have a good time.

Yet with a little investment you will be surprised by the capabilities and it will wipe the floor with a lot DACs many of us use. Yes, even your beloved Rockna, and my beloved totaldac. It’s the convenience which is really at play not the money being better invested in other parts. That is of course my opinion based on experience hearing a vinyl set up which cost as much as my most expensive DAC. You don’t have to worry about etheregens, optical networking, DDC, streamers, etc… hope you get my point.

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I think there are only 2 ways to do vinyl. Dip your toe in or go in all the way.
About once a year I consider it again, and I talk myself out of it, I left 1000 records behind (gave them away) when I moved to the States 25 years ago, and i have never quite gotten over it.

The problem with most comparisons is they aren’t like for like, no one compares a $1000 vinyl system with a $1000 DAC, or a $40000 vinyl system with a $40000 DAC. You commonly see 40K analog systems, compared to a Chord Dave, and that’s just not fair,

My current view is both can be fantastic, they aren’t the same, they will never sound like each other, and there are a LOT of older recordings where the masters for Vinyl are just better, and an RP3 will outperform a 100K DAC, so you have to be careful not to cherry pick.

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Thanks for the lesson @Camus !

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About once a year I contemplate getting out of it again, until I have more space for just the deep cleaning sessions!

Agree, completely not fair at all. I was referring to properly set up lower cost set up to a higher cost DAC, of course it is all relative to one has heard and comfort in understanding what they are listening to, your example on the Rega is what I was attempting to relay, albeit a piss poor job. Similar to the recording, if the press is taken from the analog master chances are it will sound better than the converted digital master for cd or streaming.

My goal was not to cherry pic, but rather share some experiences which I see many attempt to approach vinyl as they approach their digital rig, expect it to be dead silent, not taking into consideration the requirements to achieve satisfying results. Vinyl takes work. Digital is convenient with a click here and click there, rather than the maintenance and upkeep of a vinyl rig.

I believe we are saying similar things, and my examples were hyper focused to provide relatable examples given the forum is digital heavy.

You are welcome, not intended as a lesson rather things to consider based on my own screw ups along the way :joy:

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I have an FMR-Audio RNC1773 that I use when digitizing vinyl using my fathers record player and preamp. The Compressor lives between the secondary output of the pre-amp and my audio interface.
It is dialed in so it does not touch anything, but clamps down hard and instantly on any clicks. Makes cleaning up the recordings afterwards much easier for a cheap tool.

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I’m not trying to be contrary, and I absolutely agree, they take effort and understanding to match cartridge, arm, phono stage, and get them setup properly.
And there is a lot of contradictory information around to confuse things further.
It’s a place good dealer experience used to be a god send, since you have the same issues with internet experiences as with anything else.

There is also a much higher ceiling in spending on Vinyl, you can spend more on a phono stage than I have in my DAC’s.

I just don’t think the Vinyl better than digital debates are useful, they are fundamentally different, even though they are trying to do the same thing…

One of the reasons I fail to get back into it is the lack of a good location for 2 channel and to me vinyl is about the act of listening, selecting a record, preparing it, playing it centers the focus around the experience. But I really don’t want that when I’m listening with headphones/

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I understand, a debate on which is better was not my intention. Too many of those spread with misinformation on other forums, discussion groups, etc.

YES! There is a ritual aspect to it, at least for me it is.

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Does anyone have any experience with soundsmith carts?

Pondering a move from the Hana sl, I’m finding it struggles with the low end when anything complex is played (basically anything not acoustic and solo artist), I’ve had a couple of store pros and some local “pros” and all claim it’s setup correctly.

Soundsmith is appealing as I can run it directly into the mm phono in the levante so one less box and retipping is well priced for the inevitable.

Thankyou

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Some record thoughts…

Cleaning records. I invested in a US cleaner (Degritter) because I saw the pain my friend went through to vacuum clean several hundred albums. I would consider cleaning a “component” of sorts as it will directly impact your source quality. As noted above, new records have factory chemicals/grime/chucks or remnant vinvl while older pressings mold/tobacco/dust… in both cases they may need pretreatment before cleaning. Akin to soaking your clothes in some OXY clean. A well cleaned record sould be good with a carbon brush (two revolution) before and after play. Lift up and down, no Karate Kid motions needed here. Audioquest is the only one that has ever been recommended to me. Use the handle to loosen the dust.

Storage. I’ve tossed all of the paper inserts unless they are unique to the pressing/overall presentation. You’ll get paper fibers on your records and scratches sliding your records in and out. I’ve used some Japanese record sleeves, but have just settled on Mofi master sleeves (anti static). I also use Mofi record sleeves. There is a school of thought of storing the record in the record sleeve for easy access.

Pressings. The quality of the pressings will rage to unbelievable to complete garbage. 180g is not gonna be the difference maker here. If anything labels have been releasing many more 180g “audiophile grade” pressing with sticker included over the past 10 years to capitalize on this myth. If you want to go deep into the rabbit hole on pressings then check out Discogs. I personally have really enjoyed Analogue Productions pressings distributed by Acoustics Sounds and some Mofi pressings distributed by Music Direct. They also pack well enough to take the abuse of delivery.

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Really appreciate your post here. Years ago as my first foray into analog (after inheriting my dad’s records), and without the knowledge/courage/community to know how to set up a system, I bought a Rega Planar 8 w/ pre-mount Apheta 3 as a plug-n-play solution. I clean using a Spinclean + KeithMonks system, but still feel that my vinyl playback is nowhere near the quality of my digital stream in terms of realism, emotive expression, or transparency. Probably the occasional dust/pop/noise disrupts the suspension of disbelief, and I have certainly considered the Degritter as a solution for that.

Or maybe I need to get more serious about vinyl someday… but the idea of messing with a new table, arm, cart, and phono stage is just a bit daunting.

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Not too shabby of an entry point. There is a threshold to TTs imo and after that it really comes down to what you are lokking for. If you were wondering, you crossed it. Lol. My friend messes with grado cartridges and has an ear 912 phono…he loves the combo and couldn’t be happier. I’m never sure if the TT manufacturers cartridges are the way to go, but I’ve heard your setup several times.

Its pricey, but my friend has used this cleaning service. The owner is cool and propbably has enough records to clean for the next 6 months so no hard sell if you want to talk to him: https://www.perfectvinylforever.com

A properly cleaned record is noticable imo. DM me if you want to send a couple records for the pepsi … 1-2 weeks in between listening … challenge. I have a stack of records ive been meaning to clean.

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Do these cater for gate folds at all?

I’ve been through a couple of sleeve brands but yet to find something ideal for gate folds or thicker 2lp sets

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Yes. There is a technique to slide them in by a corner for thicker albums. I’m looking over my collection and they seem to go over everything except box sets and special issues.

They are called the Mofi Archival Record Sleeves.

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It is. I magine it would require putting the same energy and resources in an analog front end as your digital. Personally, I like the contrast of vinyl setup and have differnt expectations. I’m not trying to have one out do the other… yet. I think this can get dangerous lol.

I was wondering, what phono stage are you using?