Spatial Audio thread, X5 / X4 / X3 / M6 / M4 / M3

Figured I’d make a thread for these, really enjoy the spatial speakers I’ve heard, specifically the x5 which I now own, and the m3 sapphire. Open baffle speakers really are pretty interesting experience, how they are spatially is very unique and harder to describe, it will tend to meld it’s stage more to the music being played, the source gear, and the room, moreso than other speakers in their price bracket. It really just does a great job at blending into the room and exciting the whole environment, but still having sharpness in placement and overall stage definition so it’s not really that hazy or anything for how it stages. Dynamically it’s very lively, both in macro and micro, even at low volumes which is a big plus imo, so both pretty engaging and accurate in that regard. Also surprising bass extension and impact on the x5 specifically, that powered sub pulls it’s weight and it really is impressive coming from an open baffle. When it comes to resolution and low level retrieval, they do very very well here for the money, assuming good source they really do resolve things impressively along with presenting it fairly organically. The weight these have is also more than I’d expect, reasonably tonally dense without being sluggish or hampered by it. Speed and separation are solid, timbre is solid, coherency is solid, tonally nothing is off and they lean more toward the neutral side of things with good extension on both ends and are also more forward leaning overall.

There is a few gripes with these speakers though, and I think the biggest potential problem with them is potential lack of emotion. These speakers can sound technically impressive but lack emotion and engagement if paired or placed correctly, so you want to make sure you pair them with something that has that energy and some slight romance to it. Personally I think cleaner leaning tube gear really scratches that itch well, and things like LTA amps like the z40 or z10 are excellent synergistic matches (combined with a lampi dac really is something lol), and there’s other good matches as well with modwright kwh 225i int, quicksilver mid monos + line stage, ava ultravalve + fet valve cf rb, and an audio research setup that I don’t recall what was in it lol. If you can’t tell I do really lean more tube with this speaker lol (although it’s not bad with some of the ss options)

Bass while pretty extended, reasonably tight, and impactful, it somewhat isn’t that impressive when it comes to texture or layering and feels a bit more one note, but not enough to distract from the rest of the experience imo.

Placement wise they are both picky and not picky. They care less about the actual room than I expected, but they love to be in the almost middle of whatever room which can be inconvenient. Also they had a long break in lol

Overall when paired with the right amp they really are a blast imo. I know this is also the spatial audio thread, but I’d also give a nod to pureaudioproject as a good alternative to spatials depending on what you are after

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Appreciate the info! These are very interesting speakers.

I’ve been considering an upgrade lately and the m3 sapphire is high on my list. A lot of what’s been mentioned here is sounding pretty good too.

Bass on the m3 is my only red flag/question. Is it punchy in the mid bass? My subs can do the extension part and ideally I’d like a warmer mid bass from the speaker but dynamics can often substitute ime.

Yes it is with the right amp. It’s not going to slam in that range or anything, but it has reasonable impact that’s tight and controlled that shouldn’t let down. That’s also going to depend on positioning so you will have to play around how far they are away from the wall to adjust midbass impact to your liking

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I’ve emailed LTA about trading in my MZ3 LPS+ towards a Z10 so I almost feel like a have to try these lol

Resale appears to stay really high for the current lineup too

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If you are doing that you really might as well lol (although if you are going to z10, might as well go to the z40 lol)

Might as well go x5 then while I’m at it too right? Lol

Would you say these are good all rounders or more specialized for music genres?

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Now you have it down lol

I’d say good all rounders, unless you find yourself listening to a lot of things where subbass is an absolute priority or you listen to very very poorly recorded stuff because the spatial stuff isn’t that forgiving

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I’ve only heard one set of Open Baffles and that was only for a few minutes while I was visiting a shop in Miami and those were a custom job using very old speakers. Single Tom Waits song, and as is my normal M.O. I loved it… :rofl:

I spend a good amount of time on the Decware forums and those guys over there love to mate single driver open Baffles w/ the Decware amps, not these multi driver style. I also have looked into the DIY GR research open baffles out of curiosity often. Every set-up I have seen on these though seems to require a long room in order to get them far in enough to operate properly and that has held me back. Very cool info on a brand I had not known about previous to this. :+1:

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You don’t have to have a long room, but a long room is helpful if you want to keep things usable, otherwise you will have them pretty in the middle of the room making it less livable lol

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Yes, that is what i was also inferring to. These are the kind of speakers i would pull out to play and then settle them back off to the side afterwards if not in a dedicated room for them.

How important is this? One of the big appeals of the M3’s was that it wouldn’t value the room as much. My living room luckily isn’t a small square but my current speaker setup is about 1.5 feet from one side wall. The other side wall is probably 8 feet away. Can’t really move it closer to the middle. Are these not worth it in my situation?

What’s the difference in quality between new and broken in? Is it great->amazing or bad->amazing? It’d be helpful to know if the break-in outlasts the return policy.

Hmmm, that might be manageable, but generally I’ve found that they sound best when they are at minimum 3 ft from any wall, but I think it’s a bit more important to have more space behind them than to the side of them. It really depends on the room though, sometimes they don’t need to be that far out, sometimes they do, no real way to know without trying, I’ve somewhat gave up on trying to estimate the performance of someone’s room just on dimensions, in the end doesn’t tell me that much lol, just have to hear it.

They start off as very dry, very clean, and pretty lifeless signature overall, and as they go on they gain more dynamic life, better spatiality, more body to the sound, just get much more lively. It was rough though for the first few hundred hours, but if you leave them on and playing for a few days at moderate volume though they get much better. So hold out when you get them lol, it’s stronger than most speakers

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I can do 3 ft behind so at least I’ll have that covered. Hoping the nature of open baffle minimizes problems from the sides.

I can do that for the most part. Gotta turn them off at night but I work from home so it’d get plenty of play hours regardless.

I have it planned to save roughly enough by bday in January to buy the trio :slight_smile:

https://www.lineartubeaudio.com/products/spatial-m3-lampizator-amber3-lta-z10-integrated-caf-system

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Ohhhhhh that’s going to be sweet lol, you are in for a treat there

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Yeah I wanted to upgrade big on my speakers but then the rest of my system needed to follow to make sense lol. I thought about buying individually as I saved but then I’d wonder how badly my lesser components would drag down performance. Never doing this again, I can’t buy anything in the mean time lol; afterwards it’ll tinkering with my headphone setup and building a Bottlehead phono pre to get me back to enjoying/relaxing on my journey.

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Damn that’s awesome. I hear such good things about this setup all the time. Hope it works out and I look forward to hearing all about it.

LTA will give me 50% off with the MZ3 trade so $3050 usd value. Not bad.

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Hmm, why does this one say $11500?

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I don’t know but I gotta remember to click on this link in January lol…

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Wondering why the Amber DAC is so cheap in these package deals, I’m almost expecting the company to be like “oops sorry this offer was meant to be taken down like a year ago!”

Not to mention I specifically need/want the balanced version of the DAC. Just have to many other audio inputs: record player, cassette player, CD player, PCP server, TV…

To incentivize sales, the other products are discounted as well too

I don’t think the balanced version comes with any extra inputs, only an extra balanced output