Sonore Streamers, Optical Rendu, Ultra Rendu, Micro Rendu etc

Yeah if you already have a more neutral leaning chain it’s not an issue, but on something already warmer leaning it might be a bit more than I’d prefer (like in some of the chains I tried it in)

Just a case of it being less understood and less popular, but the more people realize about the digital source and the more options in the higher end dac market the more it will hopefully grow lol.

Lol

Also weird to say when they make their own higher end streamer/server too, but I guess that’s also for their higher end dac which doesn’t have anything built in iirc

There’s a lot of streamers now, but I feel that streamers that actually stand out is still smaller overall. Just seems like it’s harder than people would think to really take the streamers to the next level lol. The recent push toward caring about the digital source in the more entry level and midrange setups is a nice step forward, and it’s started to be really stressed for performance in the high end, but there’s a lot of companies trying their hands at it with varying levels of success. It’s just also a hard market, you have a lot of groups who believe it to be entirely nonsense so there’s some pushback there, it’s something that’s not really well explored in the average pc/computer space so it’s more reliant on off the shelf non audio focused parts, and given the lack of understanding some of the recent streamers that have come out have felt more like throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks lol

While I know nothing about the new schiit transport, looking over it, it honestly seems more like something for convenience than sound quality in the way they describe, but remains to be seen. Generally with a cd transport you can get more performance per dollar sound wise vs a streamer/server since it seems like it’s more well understood what makes a good transport and it’s just a simpler device, hopefully schiit’s follows that trend as well lol

Yeah to the larger population streamers and digital sources are more convenience and problem solver devices rather than something to really focus on for sq reasons, it’s good that it’s starting to shift though. Streamers in a headphone space have always been a harder sell though, since admittedly the overall concept and usage of streamers/servers much more suits a 2ch environment in use case vs a desktop headphone setup so that discourages people as well (and then they’re stuck to reclockers and ddc which can be hit or miss, and on their own haven’t reached the levels of a standlone streamer/server)

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Sonore also sells their own power supply. I picked this one up used and it does sound better than the SGC power supply (though I’d still keep expectations in check).

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Hadn’t even considered this but it make a lot of sense. It’s also the same reason there’s the uphill battle trying to move people away from their PC as a source because it’s just a ready made endpoint and you’re already sitting in front of it. A streamer just doesn’t make sense despite the potential to raise the SQ so much.

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This has been my dilemma for the last few years! Hence the abundance of my probing questions around this. It seems like the performance gains decrease as price exponentially increases, and/or digital output options lessen also. For example, many of these Sonore are USB only.

Maybe because I come from an era of cassettes and CD players, the moment I could get away from using my computer wired to a DAC was a happy day, way back when AirPort Express came out with its optical output.
Perhaps I have been in the minority with not relying on my computer for source in headphone use

Similar to what I stated above, having my computer tethered to a DAC has never been appealing. Using the computer as the defacto remote to control playback is easier now than 10 years ago, more reason for folks to embrace streamers!

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Have I been living under a rock and just missed this?

https://www.sonore.us/endPoint.html

Or is this a recent product release from Sonore? Looks kinda interesting if you don’t need a USB output from your streamer…

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It’s been there for a few months, albeit quite difficult to find on their website, as are many of their offerings.

Looks to have been released in 2020:

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I realized now that I’d never actually written directly about my experience with the Sonore opticalRendu. I’ve got a lot of references and mentions and mods I’ve done to it but never and actual review. The forum is Sonore friendly as a whole, with the Signature SE being highly recommended and referenced on @m0n Shit List and the ultraRendu being considered a good step up from the Pi based streamers and a world away from PC out audio. Here however I’m going to talk about the opticalRendu, how I wound up with it modified it and grew to love what it is and what it does. I’ll also mention how IMO it’s the bang for the buck king in the Sonore lineup.

My search for the opticalRendu started out of frustration as I spent months dicking around with my dCS Network Bridge and my (then DAC) a Mojo EVO B4B. I’ve documented the issues on the forum but in short, the output from the dCS (whether SPDIF coax or AEX/EBU) when playing anything other than 16/44 would sometimes not sync and I’d get broken digital stream or it wouldn’t lock. Nothing that I did worked and after many discussions with both Mojo and dCS there was no explanation found as to why and certainly no solution offered. In fairness to both Mojo and dCS both of the pieces of kit worked separately with other gear… c’est la vie.

In my search for alternatives, I knew I wanted something close in quality to the dCS, once you realize the importance of the digital source, there’s no going back. Roon is the interface I use and since I’d been using an Uptone EtherREGEN I started my hunt for a Sonore bridge given the positive nature of comments here, and the given price point.

Not long after I set course however, I realized that if I looked for an opticalRendu I could ditch the EtherREGEN, sell the dCS and have beaucoup money left over for other stuff, so that’s what I did.
I bought a “complete” kit on USAM, a guy selling the opticalRendu, a Sonore ethernet to optical converter, a 7v small green computer LPS and the SFP ends and optical cable. The price was right, after a little of the dB Cooper negotiation charm, the price was even better and voila. I bought it.

There was still the problem of the opticalRendu being USB out only (albeit a good quality USB) and my clearly preferring the AES input of the Mojo over the USB input. So to remedy that, I purchased an Alpha USB DDC to take the USB from the opticalRendu, reclock it and send it to the Mojo over AES, problem solved right? After some initial comparisons I found the chain to be a bit too analytical for my taste, that being primarily an issue with the introduction of the Alpha USB. Don’t get me wrong, a ton of detail and spacial ques, and so much more information. But using the same VooDoo Stradivarious AES cable (so as much apples to apples comparison as possible when compared to the previous dCS into the Mojo chain). I was surprised as to how much more technical ability this new combination presented over the dCS bridge, but I preferred the warmer meatier tone of the dCS.

So here’s where I talk about those “mods”. I’ve always found it interesting that the Aurelic Aries G2.1 streamer encased its internal in a copper box within a box. I’ve read in the past that copper has a sweeter sound as a shielding material over a ferrous steel and the non ferrous aluminum enclosures and that’s why you see vendors use copper often. Lampizator is a good example of copper being used. So I went to town in both the sonoreOptical and the Alpha USB lining the top and bottom in 1 mm copper sheet and the sided coated with three layers of copper tape. In the sonoreOptical I took the extra step to add a final layer of RF shielding paper again a common practice by various vendors and something that Sonore does with their Signature SE. The last change was to incorporate the use of a Mojo Audio Illuminati linear power supply. Using a 7V setting for the Mojo and a 9V setting to disconnect the internal power supply from the Alpha USB and wire up and external connector to feed it directly from the Mojo Illuminati instead.

That’s a lot of work to get to where I am today but it was necessary given the AES input issue I was trying to solve the technical jump that I wound up with was actually surprising. Now in all fairness I’m using the reclocker more expensive cabling, (switching to an FTA Calliston from the opticalRendu) and a very expensive LPS. In the end the money I had left over from the dCS was eaten up by all the extra stuff I threw at the chain but like I said a worthwhile net gain.

The Sonore opticalRendu offers a great amount of value, functionality, a VERY clean USB output and will scale quite a bit with improved power. The mods I’ve done with the increased shielding on the case IMO improved the sound further and indeed make it more liquid, improve the timbre and add a blacker background. Given that the SE incorporates a lot of what I’ve done here, power supply, shielding, I think that it’s as close as you’re going to get to a Signature SE without actually buying one. I had the power supply and given it’s cost I wouldn’t recommend someone go out and try to replicate what I’ve done in order to save some money, it’s just not the most direct course, you have multiple boxes and additional wiring but in the end, I like to tinker, it’s a hobby and I wound up much closer to the sound I was looking for.

Wrapping up, I’d also add that it’s a very stable Roon bridge, with weeks and weeks of hickup free play with an occasional reset needed. It does require a very precise power down as it doesn’t like to just be unplugged or when I’ve lost power in the house but that’s not a specific issue to the Rendu.

Now, to point the guys over at Sonore to this review so I can get my free 2.9 upgrade and all is right with the world. :slight_smile:

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Any chance of adding some pics? From your description it sounds like quite the work of art.

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I will take some the next time I open it up. This was more function that form though. As I was experimenting. I have RF shielding paper, the same type the SoTM streamer that has the shielding option ticket off. And I bought an RF shielding tape that’s a fabric and thus more pliable. The copper, the thicker it is , the harder it is to bend and do it neatly so I used the plate as a base and the copper tape as layers to adhere.

If I had a workshop, it would be art but but apartment dwellers have to compromise. It’s actually the only thing I “miss” about our old house just having a workshop. :slight_smile:

BTW, the process of getting the order was super easy and hey $29 bucks that’s a decent breakfast at least.

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From the manufacturer:

Well you need a long fiber optic cable. You want your music server, router, switches and Optical Module all located in a network room, closet or space. The computer equipment should be powered by a dedicated receptacle via a UPS and again far, far away from the audio equipment. That is ideal of course if you can’t you can’t but as much separation as you can. The Fiber Optic cable can run just about anywhere in your house except next to hot pipes or radiators. But it can run alongside a high voltage line with ZERO noise induction.

In terms to power supplies we sell the CIAudio at $395 which works great. This all depends on the budget you allocate to this. The best by far is our SONORE Linear Power Supply 7Vdc with our upgraded DC5 cable and the Synergistic Orange Fuse but its expensive. SONORE Linear Power Supply is $795, the DC5X is $240, DC4X is $140 and the Standard DC cable is included. The Synergistic fuse is $180 ($200 MSRP). Standard fuse is good.

If you just want to start on this I recommend you place the CIAudio on the Optical Rendu and get yourself the Jameco unregulated Linear Power Supply for the Optical Module. They do tend to burn out after about 2000 hours of use so get two of them one for use and one for spare. They work good on the OM.

Ofcourse if you want the best use our SONORE Linear on the OR and the CIAudio on the OM.

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All good advice, I run a 25ft optical cable to mine, server is about as far from the audio rack as I can practically locate it.
Of course my main computer is significantly closer to it, and that’s just as bad, but there isn’t much I can do about that given the available space.
PSU on the sfp converter is probably not critical, since it’s on the other end of the optical link.

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I thought the same thing when reading that. Yeah I can put my ROCK server far away but I’ve got a far noisier, much more intrusive PC with dual 32" monitors just 8 feet away from my 2 CH system. :rofl:

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started comparing opticalrendu to k50 tonight
I know it’s not a fully fair comparison yet:

  • rendu needs a better power supply - I’m in the process of buying, currently a generic topping LPSU I had around here
  • rendu is directly connected with AQ Carbon USB to my Wavedream while the K50 is connected with Tubulus I2S - trying to get my hands on a Tubulus USB and at some point will try the OR with the Red as DDC and the K50 with USB directly
  • K50 is using ethernet directly to the router, OR going through the opticalmodule - I can use my other FMC but need to get an optical cable

at the moment K50 has:

  • better room information
  • generally better low level detail
  • better instrument details

I’ve noticed this both in electronic music (bass reproduction) and live music (getting a better sense of the venue, hearing more details from the different instruments etc)

generally speaking both sound excellent

full chain is my primary one - Wavedream Signature → DHC Chimera XLRs → AIC-10 → DHC Prion4 from the speaker taps → Susvara

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I know the OR had to have good USB out, maybe even better than most, but in my experience I’ve not gotten good results with it. It does however transform connecting it to the Alpha USB DDC.

Sounds like you’ve got a good apples to apples comparison in the works so I’ll be reading up on your observations as you make progress. The OR also didn’t need a lot of warm up time. LOL Talking to myself here but I found this a funny thought as it actually it runs hot even at 7 V power.

Late last night I moved the OR behind the Red and now both that chain and K50 are connected with I2S to WD (it has two I2S inputs).
That brought performance closer from a quick listen

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You’re still playing a game of SPDIF/AES vs USB first before you play the game of cleaning it up.
The first game is about internal vs external clocks, SPDIF/AES/I2S all have external clocks, USB is relying on the DAC for the clock.
If the DAC is fundamentally better over one of those inputs, cleaning up the other one won’t really help.

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I know but at least this cancels one element which is what the DAC input is.
It has two I2S inputs but only one USB. It’ll never be completely apples to apples.
The point isn’t really even comparing apples to apples, but getting a sense of how close can I get (or equal) with the other gear to the K50 or if its cost is justified when I listen.
I’m not even convinced I need the Red between OR and WD or if I need OR when having the Red compared to K50. I’m also still using the K50’s server when doing all of this instead of my own ROCK but I suspect that has less of an impact.

quick update: I took out the opticalrendu from my system and now running Red directly as the source to my Wavedream. It’s a simpler system and honestly I don’t hear much of a difference, perhaps the Red is a little more forward. I am using less components which is great.

K50 is packed in its box and I’m back to my ROCK as server as well. System is very simple and lean now, my rack looks empty and sad lol

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Good to hear, so you’re going USB out from the Rock into the Red as a DDC and then i2s into your WD?

You’re a senior member here now, I’m not going to accept this as enough feedback. LOL With great power comes great responsibility. You gotta give us more than that man!

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No. The ROCK is connected to the network through the google router.
The Red is connected to the same router but with the opticalmodule in between (so clean from outside of the chain network noise) and then straight to the WD with I2S so it’s the source, not in DDC mode.

That’s fair lol but I’m in a little bit of test/audition/comparison fatigure so taking a time out from that. I have a couple more things coming in in October but currently need to just enjoy some tunes and let my brain decompress all the minuscule changes we’re chasing all the time. Music sounds awesome at the moment, a true testament to the Red’s performance but also to our brain simply adjusting. That’s nice sometimes lol

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