Riviera thread, AIC / AFC / APL / AFM / Levante

Admin edit: thread edited to include all Riviera products

If you enjoy it’s signature/voicing, this amp really can be a do it all, it can handle basically all of my favorite headphones sans estats with equally good synergy and performance, and doesn’t seem to sacrifice anything to get there either. Honestly really impressive. Impressions generalized with multiple tubes

Some jump out things to me are:

Grip and control, man does this thing have it, has complete command over everything going on, and it leads to a sense of speed and texture presented in a very organic manner that is hard to achieve. It can turn on a dime with a ton of intensity and weight, you typically don’t get both this speed and weight combined. Everything has authority without being overbearing. Addictive for sure

Dynamics, it can handle extreme swings with ease, while letting microdynamics show in full force, really impressive overall but still a bit of a macro focus. Generally extremely lively because of this even with it’s slightly relaxed nature

Spatial recreation is grand, good width while having solid depth as well, leads to a slightly more relaxed and wide presentation but with sharp placement accuracy and a very black background that’s pretty damn vacant, sounds pretty natural overall

Texture, it offers so much, ends up leading toward something extremely tactile experience, addicting

Tonal density is surprising, it has lots of weight to toss around, but never enough to overwhelm, and doesn’t hamper any sense of speed and separation or clarity. Can adjust it’s density to the source. Slightly wetter/more thick than neutral here, which honestly works in it’s favor given what it goes for.

Impact and slam, it has it. Kicks hard with only a slight bit of bloom leading to a very pleasing punch. Not much to say here besides that, fantastic for this aspect

Timbre, very organic, very natural. Maintains this throughout the range.

Bass extension, digs very deep without losing control or intensity

For detail and resolution, it’s definitely got a ton of it, but never in your face and never taking a backseat either, if you want it you can easily have it, if you don’t that’s fine too. It’s not the most resolving in the price range, but it doesn’t have to be either given what else it can accomplish. It’s presented very organically, and to me that’s where it counts lol
Now moving onto some things that are less impressive:

Treble extension, now it’s good enough but it does lack air at times that can lead to a sense of darkness, but in reality when paired with the right dac I didn’t find it to be that big of an issue. But for treble heads, upper treble is likely it’s weakest aspect (bass and midrange are phenomenal, lower treble is very good, upper treble is only ok)

Transparency, this could be good or bad depending on the person. It doesn’t fully reveal/adapt to the dac it’s being given compared to other options at the price point. This can lead to it being slightly forgiving on pairings, but I also feel that this could potentially be leaving some performance on the table, but no real way of knowing

Onto a functional annoyance:

Specifically for the susvara and 1266, they do sound better right out of the speaker taps compared to the headphone out. This is a bit inconvenient but can be worked around easily enough. The speaker outs just feel like they have more of a good thing personally. But I didn’t notice this to be worthwhile with less demanding headphones. I think this is because there’s still a resistor in path even in high mode. But with things like a utopia or mysphere for example I did like low mode better and found it to be too much on speaker taps and a bit too much on high

A few pairings for headphones:

Susvara (on taps): basically takes everything amazing about the susvara and amplifies it, honestly no gripes whatsoever, does exactly what one would want

1266 (on taps): This tends to change the 1266 to lean it warmer and more relaxed specifically in the treble, but also at the same time elevates the 1266s already fantastic slam and impact, width and space, and macro focus. Basically a shift while elevating

Utopia (on low): while I really like it, it could be a weaker pairing than the above, mainly because depending on the person the shift could be a slight bit undesirable. This shifts the utopia toward a macro focus and tilts warmer and more relaxed, which traditionally doesn’t go well from my experience, BUT, for me it brings a different yet equally worthwhile experience. I have not heard the utopia so macrodynamic, and it pushes the stage out really wide while keeping the spherical presentation and accuracy, and sweetens things up to make it pretty fun. I do think it loses a bit of overall accuracy, clarity, and tightness compared to other preferred pairings, but it’s very fun nonetheless and worth listening to.

Mysphere (on low): liveliness, largeness, and organicness. It creates such an involving listen with stand out dynamics, timbre, richness, and overall immersiveness. It could use more treble liveliness perhaps, but with how much control it can convey coupled with the above, really enjoyable

For some tube rolling notes:

Brimar CV4003, so far to me the most balanced tube to me, offers the best balance of technical performance and organicness and sweetness, and solid treble extension, most organic stage with equal dynamic focus.

Mullard ECC82, leans farther more toward warm, thick, and rich, but does feel a bit more technically lacking and does kinda lack some treble extension and clarity, could be good depending on the pairing though, more macro focus. Wide stage but more vague in placement

Philips Miniwatt ECC82, really adds back treble air and clarity, focuses on upper midrange and treble, but does dip down below that after. Generally lots of depth but smaller stage, more micro focused and forward, could be good with some but upsets balance to me.

A few dac pairing notes:

Totaldac d1-direct w/ d1-driver (volume bypass), Wow does this sound fun, immersive, and organic. Super dynamic, super huge yet accurate stage, super control and command, and super timbre and organicness. A bit of a macro focus lean. Weakest aspect is the treble, but both hella technical and hella fun

Lampizator pacific (volume bypass), Very natural, nuanced, and realistic/convincing, while being pretty fun too. Extremely convincing stage, adapts depending on recording, nuance king, slightly micro focused, tons of resolution. Very neutral pairing imo, basically extreme balance

Nagra hd dac, smooth and liquid, easygoing, very technical while being very relaxing, big micro focus, smaller but very deep and accurate stage, very organic timbre, pretty dense overall tol. But could get a bit too rich and relaxed on some pairings

Berkeley alpha reference 3, tightness, aggressiveness, bite, forwardness, and precision. Very neutral forward pairing that can be unforgiving, tends to focus on clarity and accuracy, but does lose some emotion slightly

Basically if you enjoy a warmer, organic, thicker, and slightly relaxed sound while being very technical and emotional at the same time, this amp is likely for you, it can handle basically whatever I can throw at it with impressiveness, really worth considering if you are looking for an amp in this range

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Reserved, amp comparisons soon lol

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Feels more appropriate to ask here. Is there anything the aic-10 doesnt work with? Not like a “maybe a better option at the price point” but a “this is a bad pairing”. Tbh I’m pretyy pretty heavily considering one right now as pretty well my only desktop amp to allow me to explore more and more headphones.

Edit: follow up question: in this price range is ut just dumb to get a “one and done” amp? Aka, am I better off getting maybe 2 5k amps (and maybe a dac besides the p6p) instead and/or focus resources on cans with a slightly worse amp game? Tbh the aic-10 sounds like exactly the voicing I want, bjt I haven’t heard it or the cans I want to put on it to know for sure

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Then not really from my experience. But this goes for the mass majority of amps at this range unless you give it something it is entirely not meant to drive. It’s still going to blow anything below entry level high end out of the water even with a pretty bad matchup imo. But I have heard people are not a fan with spirit headphones on this, but out of what I have, I have yet to hear anything flat out bad if I’m being honest. That still doesn’t mean you should ignore synergy, still optimize what you are buying for the synergy of what you own along with the preferences you have as well. Perhaps this could be bad matches if someone only wanted the most hyper analytical amp

Yes if you ignore system synergy, but no if you get an amp that has reasonable synergy with what you own and plan to own. You have to expect to make sacrifices somewhere, you just have to chose were

Well I guess it depends on a. how much you know what you actually want, b. how different the synergy demands are between the cans you plan to run, and c. how much you value variety

Either way, you absolutely want to know what cans you will have now and in the future, so I would really want to know that before giving you any real answer here

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Sorry. I 100% did not give enough information there.

Cans I would use: i tend to rotate through cans around 1 a month. If I got an aic-10 I would porbabaly only be able to afford 1-2 over ears at a time (assumint the use of the p6p as the dac and without eating into my car budget which I porbabaly just won’t do, lol). Typicaly i am a 1 can listener, so I keep the one I like more and sell the other. The cans I want to try (in order) are sus, raal ca (I wouldn’t order the aic-10 until after I heard these in about a month since it won’t run them), d8000 (non-p), stealth, utopia (again), 1266, mysphere, rognir & R10P (same tier). After that its just a smattering of random stuff I’ll get if I see a deal but won’t hunt down)

Other source gear: if I get an aic-10 I would likely keep using my p6p until the lp7ti drops next year and then move to that with maybe 1 sub 1k dac from time to time. I would still keep my portable amps (and probably add/swap out maybe 1 or 2 more such as broadway and TUR-06 that I’m currious about) to cover other flavors but those obviously are limiting and just won’t run several of the cans I want to try.

Other option Obviously for the price of an aic-10 I could get a solid desktop dac, 23r, and a third amp or open up to having more cans at the same time instead of having to do 1-in 1-out.

Tbh I’m asking here so that I can figure out if I’m just being dumb with my upgrade path before I waste a dealers time taking about actualy buying one.

I know someone with a bartok → aic-10 system that said the same about valkyria (essentially just went “they just compound to be a bit too much”). That said, he does listen to mostly edm so I’m sure that played some form of roll

For me at least it would be very hard to justify that sort of amp expenditure while I was still cycling through headphones.
Amps even with similar signatures have different flavors, and synergy becomes a big driver.

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If you are still doing this, I am unable to really help you here lol, you really don’t want to be doing that

Well I can confirm working well with the sus, d8k, utopia, 1266, mysphere. It would likely work well with the stealth and r10p but no real way of knowing, don’t know enough about the rognir to say anything

Hm, the p6p dac isn’t the best match with the aic, and I would also want to go higher as well, but you could always get a nicer desktop dac later on

Sure, but that also requires wanting to know what headphones you are after.

Totally agree

Sorry. Should have explained that option better. I would get a 13/23r and sus pretty well immediately and then add/filter around other amps/dacs from yhere.

Yah… rhats the answer i was expecting. Tbh idk why my want is just so, so high for the aic-10 right now. Maybe because it works with LCD-Rs (my current favorite can) and the couple at the top of my to try? Not sure.

That’s pretty viable

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Lol. I just kinda like trying new stuff tbh. I would just demo this stuff ideally, but I have no way of doing that with most of the cans/amps I’m interested in tbh. The 1 buy/sell per month was less noticable when I had 5 cans at a time

It’s just that when you get that high up, that no longer makes sense to do. So to me the aic 10 is the class of product you buy when you aren’t in that cycling phase anymore. Otherwise experimenting with cheaper amps and figuring out what you like, then taking the step forward makes sense

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Hello everyone, my first post on this forum, but I am not new to high end audio.

As @M0N said, you get Riviera when you kinda know what you are looking for in audio. I own AIC-10, and I got there by comparing it directly against Viva Egoista 845 tube amplifier (Class A SET).

I am after a very specific sonic representation of my music. I listen 75% to cold vocal less EDM, and the remainder is spent on nu metal, indie rock, vocal synth pop. I tried and tested (always at least for 2 weeks) Sprit Torino Valkyria, Hifiman Susvara and Focal Utopia, against my Abyss AB-1266 TC, which I adore. You can definitely say I am a fanboy of Abyss house sound (owned Diana V2 prior), as it is very resolving V shaped headphone, which works magic for said EDM genre. It’s issue is mids, how they are presented (cold, distant, recessed) and I was trying to figure out how I can listen to 25% of my music with it, or if I should buy a second pair of headphones. I even tried Sennheiser HE-1, which is known for lush mids, and even though it worked well for synth pop, and had relaxed presentation for indie rock, it simply did not work enough to warrant the price, as the soundstage was too intimate for my liking. When I tried Susvara, I thought I would end up owning it, driving it with very transparent Viva Egoista 845.

Susvara presented mids much more balanced, they were forward and warm (all compared to 1266). I was sold on owning Susvara, but when I got my hands on Riviera AIC-10, everything changed. The reason for me describing all of this journey is so that you have context around what type of listener I am. I do not listen to classical music, nor jazz, and have very little reference in real life sounds, as most what I listen to is either electronics or heavily distorted.

When I plugged 1266 into AIC-10 (paired with the stock tube), I immediately fell in love for the 25% music I listen to. The soundstage was smaller than on Viva, or dCS Bartok, BUT it did not bother me. Mids were forward (no longer singing from a hallway), lush and warm, nicely relaxed (but lacking some resolution), My 1266 suddenly sounded better than Susvara, Valkyria or Utopia did.

I still preferred EDM on Bartok directly, without using Riviera, as it was not as holographic, nor resolving. But then someone told me to tube roll this thing, so I got myself Mullard M1836 and Amperex Bugle Boy, testing them against the stock tube. The changes were rather significant, where as Bugle Boy made Riviera sound exactly like Bartok does, very transparent and holographic. If I had demoed AIC-10 with this tube, I would have NOT purchased it, as it sounds the same as Bartok. Now I realise that it is a good thing, as if I ever decide to upgrade my DAC for one without a headphone amp, I can make Riviera sound transparent (uncolouring) with this tube, which is a good thing. As for M1836 tube, this is a magic tube - it sounds better for mids than the stock tube (gains resolution) AND it works very well for EDM as well (gets me 90% of Amperex/Bartok), so it has become my daily driver. If I want to present a cold EDM song in a best way possible, I still go for Bartok, but for majority of my listening time, I just use M1836.

This being said, I still have 3 tubes coming in - Mullard CV491, Fivre and La Radiotechnique, and I will post in this thread when I get them. One more thing I would like to mention is Bartok - most folks think it is not powerful enough for 1266 or Susvara, and I understand why you would say that - 2.8W into 66 Ohm is not a lot, but based on my listening sessions, 1266 shines from it. I did not perceive any benefit from Viva Egoista 845 amplifier (really powerful tube amp) over Bartok, neither from 1266 nor Susvara. Because of this, I have been very happy using Bartok as a benchmark for my listening sessions. I used to own Chord TT 2 in the past, using it as an amplifier for 1266, and I did compare front SE to rear XLRs (with an adapter of course) and I did not hear any difference in authority/slam/control at all, and that was 3x difference in power delivery, where as many owners swear by XLR outs on TT2. All being said, I have not yet tried speaker taps on Riviera, so perhaps it does sound different (and better), but if the only rationale is “more power” then I am not going to bother.

Hope you find this post useful. Cheers, mammal

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Welcome! And very nice write up :+1:

The main reason for doing so isn’t exactly more power (even though that does get you more power) it’s for bypassing a resistor in chain, and when that resistor is no longer in the signal path it sounds a bit better (the best resistor is no resistor). But it’s one of those things where it’s not super significantly different, a smaller but noticable improvement, so for some it might not be worth the effort (but I think it’s still worth trying at some point)

I need to try a M1836 now as well lol, seems like a very well balanced choice

And another note for the viva if you still have it, swapping around the rectifier and 6sn7 you can really add more richness and warmth to the amp that way, as I do find it slightly dry otherwise

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I did end up returning is as I could not live with it - how hot it run, was just too much for my listening room.

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So my tubes arrived, now I have 6 of them (listed left to right)

  • Mullard M8136 (CV4003)
  • Amperex Bugle Boy
  • JJ Electronic
  • Fivre
  • La Radiotechnique
  • Mullard CV491

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Worth repeating that I listen to 75% EDM, and 25% is a mix of nu metal, indie rock and synth pop. This means that my ears/brain will prioritise different things to you all, who listen to classical or jazz. Also, my source is dCS Bartok, which differs to most of you using mDave. What I value in EDM is coldness (recessed mids, airy treble) and spaciousness (3D holographic soundstage). Very few of my EDM tracks will have some vocals, where mids recession would be a problem, and that’s why Abyss 1266 TC with dCS Bartok is such an elegant solution to me, kinda all in one device and punchy, resolving headphone.

Those familiar with my journey may remember, that I tried other headphones like Spirit Torino Valkyria (piano perfection) and Hifiman Susvara (good balance), with an intention to own one of them, but in the end, when I got Riviera AIC-10, I realised that (even with the stock tube) 1266 sounds better than these two, as AIC-10 simply changes the mids to my liking (for the 25% of my listening). When I was told that Riviera tube rolling is an inexpensive experiment, I got myself 5 more tubes, thinking that they won’t change it much, but the differences are there, between some tubes more than others, but I will get to that.

There are many ways how to compare these headphones, but what matters to me the most, is how they work on EDM and “the rest”. For me, the benchmark would be Bartok itself, which is really good at spacial cues, presenting the soundstage in very 3D fashion, making it seem holographic. The closest tube that does this with Riviera would be Amperex Bugle Boy , essentially disappearing and making the music sound exactly like it did with Bartok. To me, this tube is a keeper, as I can imagine owning Rossini in the future, which (currently) does not have a headphone amp. Having a tube that does not alter connected DAC, is a big plus for me. Then there is Mullard M1836 , which to my surprise does like 90% transparency (measured as resolution + holographic soundstage). Now, what I did not expect is that this tube also works for “the rest” of my music, presenting mids in forward way, making them sweet and relaxed, while keeping the resolution/layering. This is a big difference from the stock tube , which was sweet and relaxed, vocals were right in front of you, BUT resolution was significantly lacking and the soundstage was very intimate. This worked well for demo purposes (as if I had tested Riviera with Amperex, I would consider it transparent and not worth it over Bartok), so I am glad Riviera folks selected it as default.

But what about Fivre and Mullard CV491 ? To my ear, they are very similar and both work well for “the rest” of my music. Where they differ is how much they work for EDM, but that was never my goal (just an added bonus). Fivre is a bit more punchy, or bass is better resolved/defined, where as Mullard CV491 feels more relaxed/balanced. At the high level, this would be a difference between “V” and “–” shape, but VERY subtle (not like 1266 vs Susvara).

Now, La Radiotechnique tube is a bit of an oddity in my opinion, it works quite well for EDM (like Amperex and Mullard M1836), but not as much. And it does not work that well for “the rest”, where Fivre and Mullard CV491 are much better, and Mullard M1836 being universal as well. I think it has to do with the fact that this tube is very spacious (like Amperex), but changes tonality a bit, and unlike Mullard M1836 it does not work for EDM, neither for “the rest”. I am finding it hard to describe what the tonal shift is, but I don’t think it work well. Don’t take me wrong, the tube is very resolving and technically impressive, so it is worth the cost and it is not “another stock tube”.

If I was to rank them, in order how they fare, it would be something like this

For EDM:

  1. Amperex Bugle Boy / dCS Bartok
  2. Mullard M1836
  3. La Radiotechnique / Fivre
  4. Mullard CV491
  5. Stock tube

For “the rest” (nu metal, indie rock, synth pop):

  1. Mullard M1836
  2. Fivre
  3. Mullard CV491
  4. La Radiotechnique
  5. Stock tube
  6. Amperex Bugle Boy / dCS Bartok

As you can see, Mullard M1836 is the best for “the rest”, while being close second for EDM. This makes it, in my opinion the absolute best tube to use, so much so, that for majority of my listening, I don’t bother using dCS Bartok direct out, and happily keep 1266 connected to Riviera AIC-10. The second closest tube would be Fivre, and I understand why everyone was saying it is a good “all rounder”. As for Mullard CV491, I had higher expectations, but that comes to the tonality, I guess. And, technically speaking La Radiotechnique is an excellent tube, very resolving and spacious, BUT it does something to the sound which I cannot put my finger on it, maybe I need more hours listening to it. And as you can see, even though Amperex Bugle Boy is a fantastic transparent tube, I simply do not have a use case for it (it sounds like Bartok, so I well as may plug 1266 to Bartok), but has potential in the future.

If I were to keep only 3 tubes, it would definitely be Mullard M1836 and Fivre. You say, these are just 2 tubes, and you are right, but I would keep Amperex Bugle Boy in reserves, for future DAC upgrades. As far as which tube I am going to be using the most, it is definitely Mullard M1836, and Fivre will stay as a backup. I may roll in La Radiotechnique occasionally, just to figure out what is bothering me with this tube!

Thanks for reading.

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Does anyone know of the ac voltage can be changed easily on the AIC-10? I did email riviera to ask but wasn’t sure if someone knew/it was in the user manual. I had been told all it was was switching out the fuse for the different voltage but the seller said he thinks it needs to be converted at the factory so im just making sure before I move forward

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Did you ever get this answered?

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It needs to be converted at factory but factory will also make a step up transformer. I’m waiting on pricing

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Any idea how this would compare to the base version of the wa33 or the base version sold by abyss with upgraded tubes and wiring?

Overall the base wa33 even with nicer tubes is a step below in most regards, but that being said it is a pretty different signature overall in comparison. The woo is going to be more forward, more neutral slightly midrange focused, more extended into the treble, actually a bit more dry as well. Generally from a technical ability standpoint the only thing I’d say the base wa33 has over the aic is treble extension barely. I do think when you step up to the elite the wa33 starts to really trade some blows overall with the aic though, but still pretty different tuning/voicing overall. I’d still much rather have an aic lol. I’ve not had enough time with a jps version to comment as much there

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