Mojo Audio thread, Mystique / Deja Vu / Illuminati

I added about 9 mixed drinks and a few hits of an indica vape into this listening session, and this DAC has come to life even more.

I honestly can’t believe there are better DACs than this. I always say this and use so many superlatives when describing equipment, but this DAC is absolutely incredible.

I can’t wait to upgrade to a higher model. I can’t wait to listen on mushrooms. This DAC is NUTS.

Anyone looking for a Lampizator?

EDIT: listening to Hesitation Marks and in “In Two” I can hear Lindsey Buckingham shrugging his shoulder to bend the note on guitar. Yes, Fleetwood Mac’s LB has collaborated with NIN. He’s all over this record.

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Psychedelics and THC will improve any music session. Happy listening!

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@M0N What input on your EVO Pro did you settle on using and which cable? Any observations you can share from memory?

Last time I used it was with a mass kobo and a Berkeley alpha USB, and I’d say I liked aes more often than spdif with my cables and sources, cable wise in that chain I ran a snake river boomslang for something more fun and vivid, or a tara labs rsc air evolution for a bit of a more technical lift and a more balanced but slightly smoother focus. All time favorite for the dac was a black cat tron reference mkiii which is bnc spdif with bnc to rca adapters. I do think a better spdif or aes source is preferable to USB for sure, for which you go for though depends on the cable and the digital source

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Was thinking of trying out the USB but I won’t bother then. :slight_smile:

Listening to the Sonnet Pasithea the past few evenings really threw me into a crazy mood.
As some of you have noticed I threw allot of items up for sale today.

From the experts, which exact models of his 2 DACS, the big wide style and the newer slimmer model are the top models?

I’m liking the R2R implementation of the Pasithea so much I want to take it up a notch and maybe go for a MOJO for my main system next.
1 mojo and 1 Berkeley , two different styles to have on hand.

I also like the fact that the mojo are pure DAC’s with no extra features. I actually don’t want a volume control.

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Someone else can feel free to correct me, but I believe as it stands today you have the wider Mojo Mystique EVO Pro or the slimmer Mystique X SE

I do recall even the Mystique EVO Pro had options you could add in addition but it was the highest base model

I own the EVO Pro and can confidently say its impressed me for the sound signature I was after

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I think Ben’s answer is the X SE for now and he’s working on a top tier 15-20K to be released at some point

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The X SE is the top dog at the moment, the Evo Pro was supposed to be the all options, fully equiped of the evo line. The b4b including a lot of the big upgrades from the pro.

From my talks with Ben, this is how i interpreted things.
The regular X is about the same as the Evo B4B but in the smaller package. The X has ground lift for the usb so it pulls ahead if you use spidf. The X he is selling now with some upgrades for $6k (overstock Xs) concentrates on that spidf and pulls ahead a little more. Then Pro then X SE are ahead. The X SE and X concentrate on isolation and keeping the cleanest, noise free, signal out of the mojo line. Most of the components are the same. Layout and isolation are what they bumped up.

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Also note that there’s the 21 versions which have some slight upgrades over the older evo pro/b4b as well iirc

Indeed, the 21 versions basically include a thicker PCB that Ben said is supposed to be more resistant to vibrations. It also does away with the papyrus font chassis. BOOOOO!

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This is a good point. This is with Ben referring to the '21 Evos.

Its funny because ben said the pcb thing was a myth and just holes not used for components were taken out. Seems like there is too much momentum on the pcb thing for it just to be a myth.

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The PCB thing has been going on in the motherboard space for along long time. The black mil spec, and then the thicker layers that would allow sandwiched traces between the top and bottom layers so they could keep the shortest path between points and they’ve been saying the reduced noise thing for a long time as well.

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Oh in general, yes there is differences between motherboards. Ben said there wasnt in his which, hmmmmm.

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Mojo users with amps using 6SN7 tubes: you should strongly consider getting a matched pair of Linlai Global E-6SN7.

I don’t know what it is about these tubes, but they have an incredible synergy with both the AD1862 and the AD1865 chips.

I rolled the Linlai in my Canary M90 on Wednesday and was immediately blown away. It was one of the largest changes my system has ever undergone, no joke. I had previously been using a matched pair of Shuguang Treasure CV181-z which sounded wonderful and were the previous best match when using the Lampi L4+/G4+. I hadn’t given much thought to it, but figured it couldn’t hurt to try the Linlai again.

This was another example of just not knowing how good it could possibly sound. Clarity is breathtaking at times. The depth of the stage and 3D/holographic nature of the image being created is absolutely incredible. There is so much better separation and layering with ridiculous positioning and imaging. Once again, my wife kept semi-joking that I must’ve installed surround speakers because of how deep, wide, tall, and 3D everything sounds.

The 12AX7 was a NOS Mullard that was, again, the best synergistic match for the Lampi with the Treasures. In 2021 when I was auditioning the MHDT DACs and discovered the amazing synergy between the Linlai and AD1862, I was using a new-production Gold Lion 12AX7 gold pins long-plate variant as it countered the Linlai’s neutrality with a touch of warmth. One complaint I had about the Linlai + Mullard combo was that despite the increased clarity, separation, and all that mentioned above, bass quantity was down, quality was also down, and it had no real punch or impact.

So I rolled in the Gold Lion and it was that synergistic magic all over again, but with much greater detail/resolution and clarity (probably in part due to very clear, linear signal produced by the Mojo–exactly the opposite of the Atlantis). Quantity, quality and punch were all increased, depth/holography was enhanced, and there was a much greater emotional connection to the music. On top of that, cymbals sounded the most real they ever have. One of my test tracks, “The Sights” by Enter Shikari, has a weird mix. On almost every DAC, amp, and tube combination I’ve tried, the hi-hats and crashes sound extremely zingy/tingy, often even getting harsh and sibilant depending on the chain. With the Linlai + Gold Lion, the cymbals sounded so liquid and splashy without even a hint of zing.

Still not content, I tried rolling in a NOS Valvo 12AX7 and lost almost all of the depth and 3D aspects of the sound, but bass was the punchiest and most detailed/texture it had been so far. However, gaining the bass performance at the cost of nearly everything else wasn’t worth it. This tube only lasted about 3 hours before I swapped it out for the last 12AX7 worth trying…

Sophia Electric’s laughably over-priced 12AX7 was the last one to try. I hadn’t been impressed with this one ever over the last year and a half of auditioning gear. It never seemed to pair well, except with the Linlais and the Atlantis, but in that chain, the Gold Lion was superior. The Sophia was bloated and veiled.

Not the case here. Not at all. It took everything good from the Gold Lion and added the bass of the Valvo and is easily the best match. The only trade-off between it and the GL is that the GL pushes the sound out a bit more; the Sophia brings it a bit closer, making everything a bit more intimate, but only slightly. It’s still a wide, tall, deep stage that wraps around and well outside the entire listening room.

I’m truly stunned with how much simply changing out those three tubes once again improved the performance of the Mojo and the entire system.

So, to recap: there is some synergistic magic between the Linlai Global E-6SN7 tubes and AD186x chips, as confirmed by two different DACs in two different chains. The standard Linlai 6SN7 are good, but nowhere close to the Global E. And Gold Lion 12AX7 gold pin long-plate completes the magic (results may vary slightly with it and Sophia).

I want to just enjoy it now, but I’ve also got a pair of Grant Fidelity Select Treasure Globe 6SN7-SE that need to be given an honest shot in this current system. I haven’t used those in over a year because in my previous all-tube chains, they just didn’t ever sound right. Incredible detail retrieval and amazing stage width and separation, but they had such a dry, un-engaging sound coupled with anemic bass. I’m keeping expectations low, but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised again like I was with that Sophia 12AX7.

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I know some audio folks out in Arizona who have been using the top end Linlai tubes with success except for one bad incident. There was an out-of-spec. Linlai brand tube that blew out in a Vinnie Rossi L2ise amplifier that caused some damage and required a trip back to its maker to have the amp repaired.
I can’t remember if it was a 300B or 2A3, it was one of those 2 though. Otherwise several individuals report back being very pleased with both sound and performance from the Linlai tubes across the spectrum from fancy expensive newer gear to older more vintage pieces. Great write up @kerls, i only had second hand knowledge no first hand experience and have been hesitant to recommend them as a brand despite almost purchasing several models multiple times over to try for myslef but never aftually getting serious enough to drop the cash…

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Is Mystique VX2A a good dac to buy used? Is it worth purchasing or are there newer options out there? Thanks for the help…

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Are you referencing the one on the mojo site right now?

Yeah i would say so. What source will be feeding it?

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Yeah… on site. Don’t have one yet, what would you suggest? Not a Roon user if that makes a difference.

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Just not the ole’ pc, youll need to tussle with drivers then too. It worked very well with my lumin. I would think a streamer, pi, ddc solution would be good here. Buy i do not 100% have the best experience with options there. I believe that mojo is usb only.

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