Good tube amp pairing for the ZMF Verite Closed

Hey guys, i need some help here.

So, i got myself a Bottlehead Crack with Speedball for my Verite Closed, before that i was driving it with a Burson Soloist 3XP + Supercharger, my DAC is a Schiit Gungnir.

I liked the Bottlehead’s sound a bit better from than the Soloist right away, but something was missing. After some more time i can now put my finger on it, it is the bass slam and tightness.

What i like about the Bottlehead is that the sound is more organic and lifelike, less fatiguing and extremely pleasant, but the bass slam is weaker and slower than the Soloist’s. My research led me to the SW51 but that one is just impossible to find!

So my question is, which amp would you recommend for the Verite Closed that would keep the things i liked about the Bottlehead while also bringing a tight and strong bass slam to the table?

The problem is of course my budget, hahaha. I spent CAD$650 on the Bottlehead which i will sell if i find a better option on that price range, i really don’t want to go over CAD$900 or so.

I appreciate any help!
Cheers

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Welcome to the forum.

I haven’t tried either of the two amps mentioned, but I’m wondering if maybe you’ve thought about trying some different tubes. Sometimes tubes can change the characteristics that you’re looking to improve.

Just an idea, but I’m sure others with more knowledge and better information will chime in soon enough.

Good luck, and welcome again.

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Someone else may chime in but that price point it tough. But you may find something in the used market. For what it’s worth, I actually liked my Conductor XR + Supercharge with the VC when I had it. (V6 Vivid) Before you go throwing a lot of money around, you can also try the lamb universe pads on the VC, you’ll gain quite a bit of slam at the expense of a little stage width.

Out of curiosity are you using SE or XLR cables connecting the Gumbi to the Soloist?

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Thanks! Yep, rolling tubes is something i am considering as well.

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I am mainly aiming at the used market at that price range, i know it will be kind of hard to find the ideal amp within my budget. I actually like the VC on my Soloist quite a lot, that is why i decided to invest on some amp that pairs even better with it, i also use the V6 Vivid.

I have actually purchased a pair of used Universe lambskin pads yesterday after doing some research about the VC and bass slam, they will arrive on the 9th.

For connecting the Gumbi to the Soloist i am using XLR cables.

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I think it’s out of budget, but I think an LTA MZ2 is also an OTL+solid state kind of design like the BHC+SB, so I think it would be a step up and still have that speed and tightness that you like about your chain currently?

Sorry, I’m just going off what I’ve heard, I can’t vouch for the MZ2 personally.

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You’re good here then. See what the Universe pads do for you first and then take the next step. I use the universe pads on mine because, exactly what you mentioned. Remember though nothing is free, so you will lose a bit of stage.

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I can vouch for MZ2 and ZMF synergy (but with Eikon). However, that’s probably a bit out of budget still since they go more $1200 USD range.

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I would agree that the first steps might be trying out a few different tubes, since you can tilt the bhc tighter and more defined with swapping things around. I’m personally not a person to ask on what’s best for that, @Hazi59 could likely give you a lot of info on what works well in the bhc (and there’s some good info on that around here somewhere too)

I will note that with all that amps I’ll mention, the gumby is weaker single ended than balanced so it’s not ideal (since a tube amp with balanced inputs is not going to happen at this price point), but it should still work well enough.

I do think that trying another amp, specifically one more on a similar level to the burson would be really worthwhile. Given what you are after, I can’t help but mention the quicksilver headphone amp, it is a budget stretch for sure, and may be hard to get at this point, but it’s absolutely worth the cost and seems really up your alley with great synergy with that headphone. Would be a nice thing to go along with the burson

The aforementioned MZ2 could potentially be an option and also something that I think is an awesome pairing with the vc, although my main reservation with that is that while bass is absolutely cleaner and tighter, it’s not as lively and a bit more restrained/reserved in comparison to something like the quicksilver, could be too much of a change than you want, but otherwise would be a very solid option imo. Would be over budget, but still possibly attainable if a good used listing comes up

One I think you’d really like might be finding a decware csp2+ or csp3, to me that’s a bottlehead crack + speedball, well, on crack lol. I think the jump in refinement and technical ability while keeping a similar signature would be the most direct upgrade from the crack while addressing your complaints

Something actually more in budget and attainable, would be actually from maple tree audio (since you are in canada) if you could get your hands on an ear+ hd ii (although that’s strangely missing from their site now) or a od300 set that is a fairly balanced sounding amp that I think would be a great option and fairly attainable given your location. Although I’ve not heard either of those directly with the verite so I can’t comment too much more on there, but I bet they would pair well. They are generally fairly balanced in signature not leaning too far one way or the other so would fit what you are looking for

I think you are on the right track with the sw51+, but yes they are hard to get now. I think a hagerman tuba is really a solid alternative in most all aspects, should also be within your native price range although don’t know how much getting it to canada would end up costing, but that’s a pretty solid amp for the verite

One more potential option would be a feliks echo, and while I personally at first don’t think it’s really what you think you are looking for, you might find it valuable as dual use for both a preamp and headphone amp. I hesitate to suggest it because it’s really not something I think of when I want more overall tightness and control, but it really was a nice combo with the zmf so I think the synergy is enough to make it work, and tube swapping it can get it tighter for sure (although not as tight as some of the aforementioned)

As @dB_Cooper mentioned, you are in sorta a tough spot when it comes to tube amps at this price point, I’d agree that swapping tubes and trying a few different pads could help and be a much more feasible fix for the time being until you can save up and get something a bit higher tier if you can’t stretch for some of the above

Personally in terms of priority for what you want, I think the quicksilver, csp3/2+, and mz2 would really be my frontrunners of what to go for if possible, if not though I think grabbing something like a mapletree or tuba (possibly feliks) would be a more doable alternative

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Is robbing a liquor store not an option for you?

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LOL, i spent way too much money on headphones in the past couple of months, i really need to limit how much i invest in the hobby

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Thanks very good info in here. While I dont want to spend a lot on this purchase, that Quicksilver amp is almost convincing me otherwise, i bet it is incredible.
Awesome review btw!

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I still really like my Mullard 6080 and Brimar 12AU7 the most on the BHC.
The Bendix 6080WB and Matsushita 12AU7 is a close 2nd.

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You know given the state of CAM you just may want to try whatever tube amp pops up under $1k lol … pretty scarce beyond the recommended mz2 on there at over twice your budget unfortunately.

Edit: I don’t recommend buying obscure brands/models though, too hard to sell if you don’t like them… popular ones like bhc, tuba, quicksilver, sw51, feliks, decware, etc will be easy to sell

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I’ve actually been mulling over selling my SW51+. Haven’t decided yet though. If you’re still looking for something in a month or so, hit me up, I may have made up my mind by then.

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I’m a big fan of the SW51+, still own one, pushed it a lot.
But honestly you might be better off tube rolling the crack, or trying to make the Burson work.
The Verite is a good enough headphone, you really want to be outside that $1K tube amp range.
If you want a tube amp for it and If that means waiting, wait.
I actually kept my Eikon over my Verite for my secondary setup at the time, paired with the SW51+, it just wasn’t good enough to really make the Verite shine over the Eikon.
I’ve said elsewhere the Verite is probably the only headphone I’ve sold I’d own again.
Tuba is a nice alternative to the SW51, you would need to replace the supplied tubes with good EL84’s, but neither are really going to show the Verite at it’s best.

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I enjoyed the Tuba, it felt like a more sophisticated BHC/SB when I had it, but @Polygonhell is right, the VC scales quite nicely but you need a capable amp.

From what you’ve read here the LTA is the way to go if you can save/wait. The quicksilver I’ve always wanted to try simply because of @M0N recommendations and high praise.

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Do you guys know how well the Quicksilver pairs with these cans?

Fostex TH909
Kennerton Gjallarhorn
Sony MDR Z1R

These are my other dynamic sets. If they would also pair well with the Quicksilver i may stretch my budget. I dont want to spend a lot of money in a tube amp for just one set.

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Likely very well considering how well it did with the th900, although can’t say for sure. I know that on some setups there might be some background noise depending on power and upstream gear but I personally didn’t notice it on my own

Pretty excellent, no issues there

I have no idea

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I recall @Zaphain telling me tha the BHC was soft in terms of its general slam. Something of the kind, until he got the Pendant. I do remember the BHC being a bit more in the soft side, especially if I compare it to the WA8 which has plenty of impact. Hopefully it really just is the bass being too loose as then you can probably fix that with a tube change since they cause major differences. But if it’s the actual way in which the bhc just does it replacing it for something else will be needed. Also surprised no ones mentioned the tuba, seems like something that would be up your alley and I don’t think stretches ur budget as much as others. I personally don’t have one have I heard it but many here have.
*edit. Mon mentioned it lol

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