I mean, they kinda should be banned, but also, the difference between an IC and just a higher sales price is basicaly nill 
Ultimately, yah, I don’t think we should do ICs for anything other than group buys (which has never happened here yet that I know of). Just list it as wts and if the price is too high it sits
That’s such a wrong take imo
If a buyer would’ve approached I would sell. Ended up buying the WA23 without selling so might as well keep both for a while and withdraw the sell.
I also bought things here from people with IC posts. It’s ok for people to be hesitant.
IC posts are basic WTS posts what’s the difference it’s not like anything is binding until a deal is done. At least you get better transparency on likelihood of price negotiations or chance of backing out
Honestly, I think it just comes down to the phrasing. Maybe leave the term IC but ban it from the title and require all sales ads to have prices?
Exactly. If you want to list it but don’t want to sell immediately, then just put it a higher firm price, and either lower it if you want to sell or don’t make it at all if you’re looking to mostly keep it.
Adding interest checks all it really does is give someone an excuse to sit on a fence and deny selling to someone because they never explicitly said they’d sell either depending on their offer or their mood. Comes off as really irritating to the buyer trying to buy specifically and others actually wondering if someone is interested in selling or not
Not saying you can’t have a buy sell post saying you’re interested in any offers, or that you absolutely have to sell if you change your mind, but at least have some decisiveness when posting a listing and something to hold yourself to sell unless you really really don’t want to
This might just be a different experince between us. Ive always kinda viewed “ICs” as “here is my high-ish price. If someone wants it, lets go, but im not in a need to sell, so not gunna take a bath on it”
I guess not within this community (obviously), but there have been times where people have posted interest checks with exact prices laid out, I’ve reached out and just offered their exact price, and just went “nah I don’t feel like selling right now, but I’m keeping it up for when I want to” which is just really frustrating to deal with. I just think if you’re going to make a listing, either make it with intention to sell for an offer rather than some half assed “ehhhhh on the fence really want to keep it but also willing to sell it if I feel like it so try and convince me to sell it but I still might keep it anyways”
Well that’s not a IC that’s just plain wrong
But that’s how a lot of people use them, and really it’s not too dissimilar. It’s someone who can’t make up their mind and is looking to receive an attractive enough offer otherwise keep their stuff. Which fair enough, but I’d much rather someone just flat out say that either with a price that they’ll hard sell at (even if it’s overly high) rather than “I’ll sell if there’s interest” because at that point, just post the damn listing and see if there’s interest yourself, if there’s interest people will bite, if not then they won’t, so what’s the point of checking if there’s interest in this case?
Am I critising people for making IC listings? Sorta, but moreso just think it’s unneeded rather than considering someone dumb for making one
ah, yah. that would piss me off too. I havent ever encountered that myself luckily enough.
But that’s my point exactly. If that guy called it WTS and told you no would you feel different? Still not the way go about it imo
The post naming doesn’t really matter…
Sometimes people back off and that’s fine, they figure out they actually want to keep it. But as long as it’s not about trying to just capitalize on a high offer I think it has its place
Well I would be even more irritated, but then at that point I can bitch to moderators of whatever site it was on and complain that the guy wouldn’t sell at his listed price with a bit more valid reason, there’s a bit more accountability with a WTS then an IC by nature, and again I think people will be understanding if you decide to keep it and take down your WTS, however people tend to leave their IC up past that, and it just gives them a loophole/excuse to back out easier which in general I don’t think is a positive thing
One big thing is that when people decide to keep their gear or are really super wishy washy they take down their WTS, but still keep up IC. Having something eternally sit up where someone can’t make up their mind again just leads to confusion on what’s actually potentially up for sale or not and if someone is actually committed to selling or not
Banning a post is okay but banning the sentiment is probably a bit much; I’d envision someone simply putting something in the thread of a product. Something along the lines of… I’m looking on moving on from product X, would love to leave it here in the community, anyone interested ping me and we can discuss pricing. There’s no harm nor foul in that. The only problem I have with interest check posts is that they tend to skip a stated price and IMO, how do I know if I’m interested in something if I don’t know the price?
However if I really wanted a product someone just said in a thread they may be getting rid of it, I’d PM that person PDQ.
I think the easy way to do this is just say no “IC” in title and if you change your mind pull the post down. I think we are still small and tight enoygh as a community that that should be plenty tbh
With this we’re in complete agreement which is why I took down my WTS for the Z10E (although honestly I’d still probably sell it if someone came to me now lol)
So I just had that CMA 15 demo in for a week, and I definitely liked it better than all my amps and DACs. It was certainly less harsh, less digital, and overall more mature sounding. But it was a combo unit, so a BHA-1 would likely kill it(and maybe Z10E would kill BHA-1?). However, I’d rather skip intermediate stuff, and just go for Z10E(or higher). Sick of hearing NOT the best stuff. 
Well, I am pretty damn sold on Z10E, then!!! I actually had a Kerry energizer in mind. The Carbon CC seems solid, but newer options seem to do better(for higher cost, also…). By “mini T2”, did you mean his DIY T2…?
LOL
That’s fine, I’m mainly talking about official interest checks posts that show up next to actual listings, something that’s more formal and people would assume that the person there is actually looking to firmly sell at the time of posting and throughout as long as it’s still up. Dropping a “hey might want to get rid of this but not sure” in a general thread vs making a more official and separate listing are 2 different things imo. One shouldn’t expect someone to sell most of the time, but for a more official listing even IC you’d really assume someone put that up with the intent to actually sell most of the time
That’s another thing I was going to touch on but that also extends to WTS stuff too, but you’re right in that it’s more common to see that in IC listings
That’s really what I’d want to happen, just so things don’t get left up and it doesn’t leave buyers wondering if someone’s actually interested in selling or not. Sellers might be gauging interest from potential buyers, but I think they should also be sure of having interest in actually be willing to sell something if they’re going to list it regardless if there’s interest or not
I think a fair amount of time it ends up being more an interest check for the buyers to see if the seller is actually wanting to sell, rather than a seller looking for buyers
Which is the right way to do it imo, leaves no room for confusion. But with an IC, some might still leave the soft offers up which complicates things
To be clear, I’m not trying to imply if you make an IC listing in the buy sell it will be taken down or anything like that, this is just a personal rant for now. If you feel that it’s best for what you’re doing then still make them, but consider stating prices of what you might want to sell at and if you really aren’t interested in selling just don’t make one.
Just something to keep in mind, when you are talking about a “do it all chain” there is no “best”. It will always do better with some cans and do other a bit of a diservice. I am fairly comfortable reqing Z10E as a way to try out a lot of stuff since it does well with a lot of the favorites here (and holds value real well), but you shouldn’t be surprised if some normal cans end up better on fair bit cheaper amps that are more focused.
Also, just personaly, I would not go super deep into the dac game right off the bat. TBH, I find dacs start to matter way mroe than amp in the top end and that there are way more options that all work very well but in very different ways. It will probabaly be worth while to get something like a wavelight for 3500 or so, narrow your cans down to 3 or 4, and then play with dacs in teh same range as WL before jumping up in pricing a lot.
In regards to ‘Interest Checks’, my father had a saying; Shit or get off the pot. I think that applies here.
Wow, looks like they have the combo kit ready to ship NOW! Hot. Oh, wait… not quite. Q3 backorder, damn.
Just as a heads up, you should always reach out to a dealer by email or over the phone. Chances are quite good the price on line isnt the real price they are willing to sell for.
As for the delay there, thats probabaly purely from the x9k which is mega backordered currently.