Focal headphone thread, Radiance / Celestee / Clear / Stellia / Utopia

Stock Utopia cables are no slouch, they get a bad rap for reasons unknown. Here is an excerpt I came across, wish I saved the link for provenence:

Utopia cable materials:
No mention is given to whether or not Focal upgraded the internal wiring in the Utopia 2022 stock cables from the original. They should be OFC Shielded with a low resistance rating of 90 mΩ. impedance using a 4-core geometry and up to 84 strands of individually insulated woven Litz copper wire and a silver solder finish.

I have both models, using stock and Lazuli Ref+ on both, the 2022 is missing the air no matter what cable change is done. Simply not able to bring that back with how it is tuned compared to the original model.

To each his own on what they perceive, I stand by my words from a few months ago: they are different enough to know they are a Focal Utopia with deliberate sonic signatures to stand apart. It is an evolution, just as any other component evolves with the core materials in place yet a few bits and pieces are tweaked.

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Yeah that’s interesting.

I tried both stock cables, they sound similar. I don’t think they sound bad but the silver with the 22 is better to my ears.

Yeah I wouldn’t own both. I’d put that money towards something else in the chain. Or a headphone with a different signature. There’s a difference but still too close.

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Is there any female 3.5mm to male 2 pin lemo adapter?

Just got the Utopia with the stock cable. They sound like the clear OG with stock cable or hart audio. Kind of bright and shouty (I’m mid sensitive). After swapping cables I found the official beyerdynamic xlr cable for t1.2nd a good match. I remembered reading somewhere that cable is supposed to match the hight impedance of the t1.2nd.

Im going to describe the beyer cable to see if someone have a similar experience with an utopia replacement cable(not willing to buy at the moment unless its around 500$)The beyer cable takes out the mid shouty forward and adds bass and soundstage depht. I really like it with the clear OG.

Edit:
Chain
Douk U2 > soekris 2541 > V550

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The dana cable really tames the spikey shout without killing the overall great things the utopia does in the treble.

Also are you US or EU? That may help get a cable sorted.

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@Souldriver

I’m in the US.

What about the bass? Does the dana boost the bass?

My experience is with the reference, which even used may be out of hour $500 scope.

I wouldnt say it boosts bass as when i think boosting bass i think of the 90s boom boxes and walkmen that had the bass boost button that just pumped it up by a bunch of db.

It does make it more clear and impactful. On stock it felt like it really lacked in the lower registers, almost non existent to my ears. With the dana i feel it is there and present. Itll never be a head rumbler like the 24, atrium, or 1266 but it is balanced and has a appropriate but satisfying kick.

I also have a heimdal that i have not tested yet. Used those go for closer to or under $500. I can try it and let you know.

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Sounds good!
TY
Edit:
Emailed hart audio. See if they can make the adapter.

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@Alfredo3001

I think stock would still be better tho. But maybe not…

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Yeah, I had a similar experience with the OG. I didn’t have an aftermarket cable to try them with, but maybe that would help?

I’m curious to hear if the cable will resolve your issues with them.

Hopefully you got a good deal. :+1:t4:

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I’m positive it will :rofl:

It did with the Focal clear OG. I was not too fond of it for a couple of months. I could only use it with the BF2+RNHP. Right now with that cable swap, I love them.

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I just bought a female mini-xlr to male 2 pin lemo adapter for my Utopia from an ebay seller called AffinityAdapters.

He uses specific headphone company names in the description, which can be helpful or not, depending on if you know what connector a particular headphone uses, e.g. the mini-xlr adapter is listed as “Audeze LCD Series to Focal Utopia”, and I had to look up Audeze to make sure that was what I needed.

He lists a HiFiman Arya to Focal Utopia adapter, which I think is female 3.5mm.

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Thats the one!
Got a quote from hart audio too!

Thanks

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First of all I’m sorry if I’m being extra active (read the 2year post, and I’m trying to help!)

When I got the Utopia I thought they were broken. The sound like crashing cymbals all the time. I tried swapping cables ( interconnects, digital, usb) and they sound the same. I couldn’t distinguish sound and resolution, just treble brightness. Soundstage and image sounded off.

After, 20h of use I’m finally getting the sound. Bright, clear mids, and resolving. I got to say that I have never heard a headphone reproduce treble like this. Its really impressive and exciting.

I decided to do some cable swapping after I acclimated to the Utopia. Swapped 3 cables that where the warmest of the ones I have. I got more warm on the lower mids, but lost the treble crispness as a trade off. Went back and just swapped my monoprice Monolith USB for the AQ forests. Going to try for a couple of days and see how I feel about the change. The treble excitement is reduced but there is more depht now.

Also, got a quote from hart audio 73$ total with shipping 1-2 week wait time (attached picture below). The adapter that @PaisleyUnderground is the perfect one I need, but the shipping time around 3 weeks and the price is going to be around 140$.
Still deciding what to do. Knowing me I wont settle until I try the Dana so, decisions…

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Did a bunch of Utopia OG cable listening today and got a good idea of what the Nordost Heimdall 2 and Dana Cable Reference bring to the table.

First off, both cables are head and shoulders above stock. I stand by that if you are looking to buy a focal, you should consider a good cable into your purchasing budget.

Nordost Heimdall 2:
To start this off I am going to quote M0N as its a great start…

Regarding tonality, timbre, smoothness and liquidity I couldn’t agree more. This is the best i heard vocals and stringed instruments on the Utopia, as in the most natural or “correct” as stock Utopia is a bit off timbre and likewise. I also agree on the micro, micro dynamics and detail popped more here than on the dana and i was picking things out more easily. Connecting it with the tonality and timbre, there were background vocals on tracks that i thought were just non-sense chants but here i could clearly make out the distinct words. Another key point is that the heimdall goes thicker, richer, and sweeter. I would say it is a definite t h i c k & s o l i d take on the Utopia. Quantity wise it provides more bass and visceral touch than the dana and stock, and that thickness continues through the spectrum. The mids are rich with a dab of added romance. The treble is sweetened while keeping its extension but in exchange it looses a bit of air. Stage is bigger than stock but a little smaller than the dana, mostly width wise, but i believe there is more separation in that given space. I also feel it is less ethereal holographic and more of a solid feel, still very 3D. Oddly while being smoother overall, texture is nice and crispy and well pronounced. Like comparing a kettle cooked potato chip to a regular old lays. Overall a richer, thicker, more weighted take on the Utopia sound. I wonder if this is closer to what the 2022 revision provides.

"Dana Cable Reference:*
The Dana is a bit different but on thing it and the Heim have in common is they add some meat to the Utopia. The Dana does it a bit different in that it better keeps the lighter feel of the stock Utopia but adds just a touch of width. This warms things up just a little and nulls any high end spikes, but keeps the fr balance in tact. I think this does a good job at retaining the natural holographic and ethereal feel in place but just adding a touch more weight. As if the heim is smoke from a nice cigar, and the dana is steam from your tea. The stage is bigger by a little and wraps around more, though i dont hear the more distinct seperation or spaces between pieces. Its not mush, maybe just a little more unison. Bass quantity is definetly better than stock and has more kick and visceral feel, but not as much as the heim. Though the heim wins out on quantity, the dana has more nuanced bass. Mids the heim is just better, once again the dana is better than stock and has more substance but i feel the timbre is colder than i expect and i cant make out those background vocals. Treble is very nice, open and airy, once again keeping the weightlessness of the stock cans but the air takes away any pain/focus points. I was hoping the dana added a bit more micro detail but it is more even. Overall the Dana adds some substance without adding much weight.

Also note the Dana is a hefty boy, its decently flexible but it is heavy. It will pull down on you and a few times i needed to bend over to pick something up and it wants to take your headphones off. I have to rest any slack on a chair between me and the amp or it will keep tugging, and it is a little frustrating. The heimdall you barely notice is there.

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Oof sometimes you forget things while writing at work.

For the Dana: The texture is still there and better than stock, but it is a much smoother feel than the heim. Which may also be adding to that not so spot on timbre.

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thoughts about radiance after couple of days :thinking::speech_balloon:
:-1: too bassy for some acoustic music (acoustic guitars, other stringed instruments) for me
:+1: any genres driven by bass are at least decent sounding
:-1: electronic and classical could have more zing in the treble (violins, harp, high hats etc)
:+1: electr. guitars have lots of upper mid crunch
:-1: percussion a bit “thick” - not enough sparkle, drum hits a bit muted
:+1: lack of fatigue
:+1: brighter sources (chord)
:-1: warmer sources (astell dongles)
:+1: excellent dynamics, still affordable for mere mortals
:+1: excellent timbre in the mids in general (voices, piano, electr. guitars, oboe, flute, etc)
:+1: warm yet clear sounding for most music, enough but not excessive bass
?? soundstage, cohesion, etc

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Definitely agree with a lot of this. Source is important here for sure and I typically paired mine with the mojo 2 and found it enjoyable. Off something like a Bryston BHA-1 or bliss, not as much.

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I’m in concert with what @Rhodey mentioned regarding source being a key factor with the Radiance. I prefer mine with the Ferrum Oor/Hypsos over the v550 or Bliss.

For myself I found using a hybrid cable (copper+silver) added more room to the sound making it less dense and thick vs copper. YMMV - many personal preferences also in play.

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Any comparison between the v550 vs bha-1 with the Utopia? Are the v550 and bha-1 in the same tier?

I’m curious to try the bha-1 with 2541+Utopia. I know that chain is in the Utopia recommendation from M0N (Below 3k, not the top but good enough). If the bha-1 brings more stage it might be worth the try.