Focal headphone thread, Radiance / Celestee / Clear / Stellia / Utopia

I actually really like the ECP for the utopia, but mostly only with the utopia and wasn’t as impressed with other cans. It’s also fairly dac picky from my experience. It’s a specific sound but I ended up being pretty partial to it. I absolutely do think though that the stated performance of the unit especially compared to some other amps of a higher class is a bit misleading, it’s good for a 2-2.5k ish solid state amp for the utopia, but I wouldn’t take it over let’s say some of the 3k ish tube amps which some have claimed it to beat.

@Camus that sounds pretty weird how you’d describe it, sounds like more of a faulty amp. I would say it’s not the most spacious option out there but it shouldn’t be close to mono levels of no space lol

The taboo I also ended up feeling similar in “very specific sound for a very specific headphone”, needed cleaner tubes, a cleaner dac, and I only really thought it was worthwhile with my LCD 2, and even then it was something that while I appreciated I absolutely wouldn’t want it to be my main amp all the time

They have their very clear preferences for specific stuff over there, they’re pretty upfront about it too, so I don’t really mind it much but at times it can feel seemingly random lol

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@Camus your thoughts kind of convinced me to officially look for an older Utopia vs just meandering around it.

Besides the big 2022 revision, I see most people post the build or purchase date. Outside of warranty, is there a reason for this? Smaller or silent revisions? It seems pre / post 2020 is a common note.

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That is awesome! Hope you get a good deal and it’s in great condition.

Previous to the 2022 update, there are no silent revisions to the headphone itself. Although there are conspiracy theories around a self-caused clipping issue when folks turned the volume way beyond listening levels.

The 2020 was an upgrade to the accessories it came with, new case, two sets of cables with one short termination in 1/“8 with 1/4” adapter, and a second longer cable in XLR. The case is a nice feature and these stock cables are the better than typical stock cables.

The 2016 had black rubber cables, which is what we got on the 2022 model, actually can’t stand the feel of these as they would tangle easy.

I would look for a 2020 unit, solely to ensure an active warranty as its five years. The kicker is you will need the original seller to provide you their receipt, which is a coin toss.

Good luck

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Very good info. I know first hand focal’s cables are not their strong point.

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Speaking of the 2018 Questyle combo this one is available, and I remember it only came with this short feeble cable for DAP use:

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If i knew i could reliably sell the dap that seems like a very reasonable grab.

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I bought a 2020 Utopia off the Head-Fi classifieds today. Was one that was mentioned in the Used Deals thread but had a price drop. Looks like it should have 4 years and 9 months of warranty remaining and I have the receipt too. Looking forward to hearing these as I quite enjoyed the 2022 version but I keep hearing that the OG is better in the right system.

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A quick note while cleaning both the Utopia and Radiance the other night, the Radiance is way more luxurious out of the two. Better softer leathers, build is much more solid, a more premium feel and heft overall (without being heavy). Design language aside as IMHO the Radiance has a nicer look and colorway, the Utopia felt creaky and lighter built. It could 100% just be the age of this unit but I was surprised by this.

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I’ve heard a couple of people mention creaks from the Utopia, while I don’t think the carbon fiber frame does it any favors in that regard, my OG model doesn’t really creak.
All the Focals I’ve owned have been much the same outside the material choices, they were all “good” in terms of build quality.
I haven’t used a Radiance, but given the Radiance was a Bentley collaboration, I wonder if that had an impact on the premium feeling material choices.

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My Utopia OG creaks a bit on the right side.
It’s not the best build quality headphone I owned but far from the worst.

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Yeah it doesnt feel like it will fall apart by any means. But it feels more loose, or it may just more loved with use.

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It would be very difficult to manufacture the carbon fiber part to the same tolerances as the metal yoke, so I suspect it’s just a natural side effect of that.

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I would think/hope so. Makes me want to try out a Radiance! :laughing: :+1:

On the creak/build quality front, I got my Utopia 2020 new so it is pretty flawless to me… Now my Clear (which I purchased new 3 years ago at the “closeout” price from headphones.com) came with a creak out of the box! It kinda sucked, but didn’t seem worth the hassle of trying to warranty. It only creaks on one side when I put it on, so not a big deal.

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Wonder if this is because Corsair is buying Drop?

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They sold a small ton of Clear OG too - proved their mettle maybe.

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Recently picked up an OG Utopia to see how it compares to the Nutopia. I couldn’t resist not knowing and I needed to find out myself. I was prepared to part ways with the Nutopia if the OG could impress me enough.

Utopia (OG) and Nutopia (22) Comparison

This comparison was done using the following chain:
PP3>Innuos Zenith MK3 (using Sense and Roon)>Wavelight>EC Studio B - 300B
(stock focal cable to keep it fair)

Most of this is nitpicking because IMO these are very close. They’re definitely both a utopia. Both have very good detail, speed, punch/slam, depth, and that utopia trait where things just pop out in the mix and in a way that adds a sparkle to the experience. Very fun headphones.

Nutopia leans a touch warm in the low end. Guitars on the 22 have a bit more growl and come off fuller to me. Utopia/OG is still very good but if I had to pick I’d go 22. Depending on the recording the 22 seems to hit a tad harder at times too. The bass fills up some of the space and makes me feel it’s more complete. This is going to be a preference thing but I like the warmer tilt. With something like orchestral music I could see someone liking the OG a bit more but the increase in the low end doesn’t bother me here. It’s actually nice with upright bass, certain strings, horns, etc. If you’re a bass fan and listen to modern pop/hip hop/EDM/etc. I don’t know why you wouldn’t choose the 22. I’d probably say the same for most rock too.

Some recordings vocals can seem a tad fuller on the 22 as well. When I would do an A/B of the two to test clarity of the vocals, I think it’s too close to call. Both are great in this area. It’s not like the additional low end bleeds into the mids and hurts the vocals. I like how they accomplished this.

Stage is close too but I think the 22 can seem slightly larger. It’s very close but some reverbs and micro details in the distance seems a tad bit farther on the 22. Depth in the stage is pretty close too, I think this one is a toss up. I do think the 22 can be a tad bit more holographic at times. Some recordings will reveal this better than others.

Throughout the midrange I say it’s very close. Probably a preference thing again. Some recordings the 22 will have a slight touch of more body. Nothing crazy in one direction or another IMO. I’d take either.

When it comes to the high frequencies I think they both extend very well. I don’t want anything more from the 22 (heading into this I was thinking the 22 would lose here). The OG is just as good but occasionally, and I mean occasionally because most of the time it’s fine, but it can get just a touch spicy. While the 22 will extend just as high to me, it slightly takes that edge off with its touch of warmth. I’m not saying it’s blunted or dulled in anyway it’s just more pleasing to me. This typically happens in something like rock.

Timbre is close as well but I think at times I like the 22. I think I prefer the touch of body and warmth throughout the signature. Some recordings will show this better than others. Again close and nitpicking.

If I come up with anything else I’ll add some more to this. Overall they’re both great. Again, a lot of this is nitpicking. They’re close and I couldn’t see owning both. If I didn’t have the 22 I’d be completely content with the OG. Which makes me think I wish I would have tried the OG years ago. Probably would have saved some money along the way in my audio journey, IDK? The current OG prices are amazing and I don’t fault anyone for picking one up over the 22. As for me, I’ll stick with the 22. Even tho there’s a price difference, I feel the 22 fits my preferences a bit more. I could sell the 22 and get some cash back but I don’t know if I’d be as happy knowing what I’ve heard.

Oh and the OG is really nice looking in person. I wasn’t really a fan when looking at pics online, but they’re pretty in person :smiley:

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I borrowed a OG and 22 a few weeks ago and it was a really interesting experience, because they were obviously in the same family but were different enough that (a) I can understand why someone might choose to own both and (b) I can see why someone that’s used to the OG might dislike the 22 or vice versa.

I liked them both and decided to buy one when I had the money, but couldn’t decide which one I wanted. Since I already own a lot of neutral-warm headphones, I was leaning towards the OG, which has much more sparkle and texture in it’s treble than the OG. I didn’t find the OG to be a bright headphone, in that it wasn’t fatiguing to me. Instead I found that additional sparkle made it sound captivating to me.

Having spent my 2022 fun money, I decided to buy whichever one had a good deal next year. And the Adorama sale happened and I dipped into my “break in case of emergency” funds (don’t do this kids, it’s a stupid gamble that I always lose when something large and expensive needs fixing) and negotiated a good price with my dealer.

I have been enjoying my 22, but also missed the air of the OG. I wondered if a different cable might help, and now that I have my adapters, I tried my DHC Molecule Elite silver cable, and low and behold, the 22 now has air.

The Molecule Elite isn’t a bright cable per se, but I’ve found with other headphones that it provides extension at both ends, great definition, and doesn’t add warmth to the mids, so it acts like a detailed window into the music. I wish I still had the OG, but the 22 now sounds remarkably similar to my memory of the OG, with perhaps a little more warmth in the lower mids. Whether or not my memory is playing tricks on me, the 22 now sounds more captivating to me, but it all comes down to preferences, as @Rhodey said.

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That’s interesting, I don’t miss the air at all and it was more noticeable to me with the Sus and D8KP LE comparison.

And I agree, I don’t find the OG to be bright either. Especially on a good chain.

I find the 22 to have as much and maybe more texture at times. Especially in the low end. I think it may pop a little more on the OG because it’s a tad thinner. It’s still marginal tho.

I have a silver cable for the 22 that I use when I’m not comparing the two and I agree with the benefits you mentioned. I need to try another, maybe a Dana plus (silver) to see how they compare.

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I would say the same, i thought them to be a little cheesy looking in pics but theyre much more luxury in person.

Not sure about the 22, but a solid aftermarket cable should be standard issue for the OG. I feel strongly enough here that if I couldn’t get a good cable the OG would be a sell. I had the same thin spicy thoughts at times with the stock cable.

I know @karangovil will be selling his Dana Cable Reference soon (he is just being a great guy and letting me use it to compare dacs). Someone said it should be standard equipment with the OG and I agree. Once again so much so that if the heimdal isnt up to the task I may sell the OG, not because im not enjoying it but i wanted something sub $2k overall and a dana adds a bit to it.

I am also sure the 22 will benefit from a cable, focal stock cables really hold the cans back, imho) but i dont know if its the night and day difference.

EDIT: going by Paisley it does. It seems a cable for either may being them closer to each other.

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Yeah for sure. They definitely seem to respond well to better cables.

I have a pure silver for the 22 and it makes a difference. I just didn’t use it for the comparison to keep things fair.

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