Audio Technica headphone thread, ADX-5000 / AWKT / AWAS / AP2000TI / W5000

The ADX5K is of the more underrated and underappreciated flagships imo, but at the same time I can see why given it’s more hefty source gear demands can leave a very underwhelming experience (as goes for most top tier cans lol). A dead neutral and pretty honest can on the right chain, very technical while also being able to be pretty organic too. Very intimate and more up close and personal, but lots of depth and openness in the more close stage with pretty precise placement, tons of nuance and resolution especially low level information but presented in a fairly organic way, speed and separation are very strong, timbre is excellent, microdynamics are a main focus but macro isn’t bad either. Slightly on the brighter and lighter/leaner side of things but not to a fault. Comfort is solid overall being light and large

Scales very well, although doesn’t forgive lesser things or poor synergy. Really works well with both tube amps and solid state. I do personally enjoy a warmer and wider leaning pairing as long as it doesn’t sacrifice technical ability with these headphones to put a bit more weight to the low end and give more room for things. I have really really enjoyed it with amps like the angstrom stella mk2, thomas mayer hp int, eddie current studio t, mass kobo 394 ii, cayin ha300, among others. Will def showcase what the source has to offer

Admin note: edited to include all audio technical headphones

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A forum friend here was very kind and let me borrow their ATH-AWKT (thank you @NickMimi!) and I realized that we didn’t have a dedicated thread for the Audio-Technica closed backs!

It only just arrived in the mail this afternoon, so I don’t have any listening impressions just yet, but I’m very excited to listen to this a bunch over the next few days. (I’m currently in the market for an upgrade to my marblewood Eikon.)

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Hello again! My thoughts on the AWKT are long overdue, so let’s go! I’m going to start with some caveats—I haven’t heard a ton of gear and I’ve also upgraded my chain kind of backwards. I upgraded to a nicer DAC (Exogal Comet+), then I upgraded to a nicer amp (Allnic HPA-3000 GT), and for whatever reason, I’ve left my headphone upgrades for last.

So my headphone experience is a bit limited, but it also means that I’m highly motivated to really give the AWKT my attention since it’s exactly one of the kinds of headphones that I’m currently in the market for.

The most resolving headphone I’d heard prior to the AWKT is a Focal Clear OG (which I recently sold to @MacDLaw, I hope you’re enjoying it!), but even though the Clear is now out of my possession, I’m pretty confident in saying that the AWKT has more detail than the Clear. If I’m just listening casually and taking in the overall sound, I can feel that the AWKT is more clear and crisp than anything I’ve heard so far, but when I listen more closely, the first difference that immediately jumps out at me is my ability to separate layered sounds. For example, if I listen to a group of vocalists singing a harmony [King of Anything], I can hear each of the individual singers in a way that I’ve never been able to before.

Note that the jump from the Clear to the AWKT isn’t as big as some of the other jumps I’ve made (for example, jumping from the Bifrost 2 to the Exogal Comet+ made a bigger difference), so I don’t want to overstate the amount of detail here, but it’s certainly noticeable. I’ll also add that the source is starting to matter more here as well, I’m definitely hearing a larger difference than I used to between a track in Apple Music versus that same track upsampled to 192k using Audirvana/Qobuz.

If I listen to recordings of some of the swing bands I’ve heard in real life [Moppin’ and Boppin’], the AWKT to my ear has great timbre, sounds very organic, and it’s the best I’ve heard these recordings sound. And to be honest, just about every song I’ve listened to that predates, say, the 1980’s, has sounded wonderful on the AWKT. Jazz sounds fantastic, classic soul music sounds fantastic, R&B oldies sound great. I really don’t have any issues with the sound signature at all until we start to get into more modern music.

With modern music, the AWKT starts sounding just a smidge bright, and the bass sounds a little lean compared to what I would want. Interestingly, for most music, I really don’t mind that bit of extra treble, but the amount that the lack of bass impact and fullness bothers me seems to vary a lot depending on the song.

But it’s not like the bass is just okay in the songs where it’s good: in more acoustic modern songs [Gravity], the bass is full of texture and it genuinely sounds wonderful. The AWKT still never quite gets to the level of punchiness that I’m used to with the Eikon or the Clear, but in a vacuum, the songs where the AWKT sounds good really don’t feel lacking at all.

But once I start listening to some rap and hip-hop [Get Down] [Kiln], the bass definitely loses some of it’s impact and gets more pillow-y sounding, and in general, I feel like these kind of songs just want a more energetic presentation. I want to be bobbing my head and tapping my feet and I’m just not doing that here. I suspect that maybe part of the difference has something to do with the bass extension, that maybe synthetic kicks are lower down than real drums and maybe the impact is lessening as you get into the lower frequencies, but it’s just a suspicion.

Heavily sampled music [Delta] and electronic music [Hey Sexy Lady (Skrillex Remix)] also suffers in a similar fashion, but electronic in particular also can sometimes sound slightly off in the higher frequencies since it has more “pure tone” kind of sounds. This is most obvious in chiptune music [Missing You] [Focus], where the balance of the mix sometimes doesn’t sound quite right, so I assume that there’s some kind of treble peak or dip throwing things off. (If you don’t normally listen to chiptune music, be assured that these tracks are /supposed/ to sound a bit piercing.)

Now a bit of a detour: the AWKT actually took to a high-impedance source pretty dang gracefully. If you’ve ever put a Focal headphone on a high-impedance amp, the bass gets ridiculous and it sounds really loose and sloppy. It’s fun for a novelty, but it’s not something I’d ever do on a regular basis. On the other hand, the AWKT does exhibit all of these characteristics on a high-output: the sound signature warms up, the bass gets a bit looser, and you do lose some detail and clarity, but the AWKT exhibits all of these traits to a /much/ lower degree. I could really imagine swapping to a high-output source depending on my mood and what I’m listening to on a semi-regular basis.

I mentioned that I’m looking for an upgrade to my Eikon, so let’s talk a little bit of a use case comparison. Even with the Auteur pads, the Eikon has more low-end impact, and I think I would say that the stage width is a little wider, but other than that, the AWKT makes for a very logical step up. The AWKT seems to isolate just as well, and it also doesn’t leak much sound. They both excel with similar kinds of music, though the Eikon is quite a bit less picky. However, the AWKT has more detail, better texture, and better timbre.

So is the AWKT going to be my next closed-back purchase?

Well, there’s one issue I have with this headphone that will likely keep me from buying one for myself: comfort. The first time I put the AWKT on my head, I immediately felt like I was wearing them wrong and that “slightly off” feeling with the fit never really went away. If I wear the AWKT for several hours in a row, I have some pain on the top of my head and I don’t have this issue with any of my other headphones. My best guess is that I’m not getting enough clamp force, so instead of distributing some of the weight on the side of my head, I’m bearing all of the weight on the top of my head. (I don’t have an especially narrow head, but if your head is wider than mine, it’s possible that this won’t be an issue for you.) I don’t know if you can bend the headband or something to get a stronger clamp, but since this headphone doesn’t belong to me, I’m certainly not going to try.

Unfortunately, it looks like this isn’t the headphone for me, but I want to say a huge thank you to @NickMimi and I very much appreciate getting the chance to spend some real time hearing a higher-end closed-back. This makes the genres in its wheelhouse sound so great, and if what you listen to is primarily older music or more acoustic/organic music, the AWKT might be for you!

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Your upgrade path is uncommon to say the least, it was a nice read and oh boi are there so many other options in that price bracket, good luck with your “quest”

That headband from what I’ve read fits most people, maybe the older ones would be better for you, maybe worse lol but if you have the chance try a classic winged system ATH, you might be surprised.

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Excellent write up, you hit on many specifics, especially The genre abilities and preferences which was top notch and SPOT-ON in my opinion too! Bravo :clap:

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Im going to leave this question in the open I dont believe many ppl have the w5000

Has anyone found a good amp sinergy for the w5000 other than the expensive hard to find ha5000?

The w5000 are the pickiest headphones Ive heard and will easily sound claustrophobic, I found the burson soloist may be a good ha5000 alternative but I could only afford the funk, which is actually a great match, will probably upgrade to soloist sometime.

@mochi I envy your ha5000 lol

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Well the HA5K was the best I’d heard it, I still personally liked the luxman amps with it, an older option but a yamamoto ha-02 was damn nice too good 5k alternative (I might like it more than the 5k actually). Also expensive but an ear hp4 also did surprisingly well. Ray samuels raptor was very good too. As was an older LTA MZ2 which is also worth considering. A few pairings I didn’t get enough time with but was impressed when I demoed were a eddie current zana deux and a real (not clone) earmax pro, those were very promising

Going lower in price, I know people like some of the headamp stuff with it, I personally did not. But gilmore lite mk2 some like with it (no from me). I thought some of the older meier corda amps were pretty decent with it.

But it’s been awhile since I had mine, so these are mainly all older amps lol

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Ive seen the yamamoto ha02 about 2 times on headfi around $800, which has also been recommended for other ATs that I like, looks solid but it also looks expensive and dangerous to ship; hard to repair.

Most of the amps you named are going extinct lol, I remember reading about them 10 years ago on headfi they were some of the best back then.

I highly doubt the gilmore lite would cut it.

According to you, mochi and oldass posts the ha5000 is the best option, maybe Ill actually get one if it pops used, but the soloist option seems more compelling / less niche, still my upgrade route.

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I’d still consider it, it isn’t going to be that big a pain to ship if done properly, it’s smaller and less heavy that some of the other amps

There weren’t as many options back then lol. One I wanted to hear that I had read about was a trafomatic head one and really wanted to try it with the w5000 but never got to lol

Ah and apparently people liked the AT on some of the singlepower amps but man I was skeptical about that lol

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Its the first time ive read a yamamoto ha2 recommendation that wasnt written many years ago, so im gonna take it seriously

The problem with the ha5000 its too niche, im digging your yamamoto recomendation a lot

Thanks

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It’s still pretty solid, at least for some of the older AT. Likely because that amp is more tailored for the older AT than most modern amps which most designers aren’t going to do anymore. The W5000 really wasn’t designed for all around amp compatibility, and you can pretty easily tell that with most amps you plug it into, it is very picky in what it actually sounds good with, so it makes sense that some of the amps that are fairly well tailored to it end up performing the best with it, even if there are now options that may be better overall with other headphones

I know some also like that amp with like a th900, but personally I think there’s better amps out there now for the th900 around that range (although still solid option), but the yamamoto still is worth considering for an older AT. I would really also see if you can find any trafomatic head ones out there since I knew a few people that liked them over the yamamoto actually, but haven’t heard myself so can’t say

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Im already picturing myself with a older amp on my desk lol, I have never seen a trafomatic head or a ha5k pop up on headfi, I also almost never check ebay probably should look there.

The ha2 and rs raptor a little easier to find. Mz2 maybe.

Anyway sometime next year ill post here what I went with.

@M0N Last thing, speaking hypotetically as you probably cant physically compare rn, do you think a quicksilver headphone amp would be a good match for older ATs?

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I really don’t know about the quicksilver. It might be, it might not, with something like the W5000 it’s somewhat a bit more unpredictable in how it reacts so I wouldn’t really know tbh

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My yamamoto ha02 is going to be repaired in japan, or at least die in its maker’s hands, but that will be in a few months cause im still broke.

Meanwwhile let talk a little bit about the adx5000 @M0N

I tend to buy headphones first and amplificatiom after thats what I do

What do you think are some budget minimuns to stsrt showing what the adx can really do?

I was thinking about these, because they are not hard to attain:

  • Audio technica AT-BHA100, probably not the best sounding but its the cheapest and bas very cool feats
  • Quicksilcer Headphone Amp for its versatility
  • MZ2 + LPS for its signature I’ll probably dig based on reviews
  • Waiting for the HA02 to be repaired and rotate with the BHC+S
    *Just use the the soloist 3xp

Whats your take on these? Can you think of better alternstives? Bonus points if it also drive the he6dse nicely

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So to clarify, do you currently have a bhc and a soloist 3xp outside the ha02 or am I reading that wrong? Honestly what I’d do is just stick with your current amps if that’s the case, grab the AT, and go from there, see what you like and what you’d want to change. I think the 02 would be a potentially solid pairing, and the 3xp will be decent enough for the time being and be a decent match. You also have the rnhp, which is actually also surprisingly decent with the headphones

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I dont have an ha02, it arrived broken and Ill send to yamamoto himself in japan when I feel like I have enough money for the supposedly expensive restoration

My soloist should arrive on april 10th or tuesday 11th at most

The rnhp, hadnt considered, that one always surprises so thanks for the tip

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Yes sorry I meant that as in you have it but not usable, but reparable later on

Sweet

I think you should be reasonably covered for now then to get a decent idea of what the cans can do (I’d just prioritize the repair of the ha02 instead of getting a new amp, but the neve and soloist are decent pairings already)

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You always trust the ha02, it was so sad hearing how good it sounded in the one working channel with earbuds :smiling_face_with_tear: (one earbud lol)

Thanks for the tips they seem very logical

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Not seeing any love for the AP2000Ti here at all. I chose it after a long effort to find a decent quality closed back that had good treble extension. In fact I came to it via the ADX5000 as a few folks told me it was an HD800S but better! Turns out I didn’t agree with their thoughts but the AP2000Ti sounded quite like a closed back ADX5000 although without as detailed a soundstage.

Anyway just wanted to give it some support…

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Yesterday I mentioned I had finally gotten all the headphones I wantented at least for the time being… 2 or 3 years ago when I started collecting headphones I made a ridiculuos list I thought was impossible to finish, I was a publicity intern at the time with extremely low salary.

Now I have every headphone on that list (except the ones didnt meet expectations), so I thought why not make another, but I reduced the list as much as possible because im way too satisfied with my colection.

These are the only 3 headphones I plan to buy next year unless theres a really good offer, cause this year ill spend what I have improving my gear.

  1. focal radiance
  2. ADX5000
  3. ap2000ti

Ap2000ti will be my only metallic ATH (mine are all wooden or open) and I know for a fact the a2000x, a1000z, a2000z and ap990ti are fantastic for my taste.

@Dadracer2 theres too few trustable info on the ap2000ti, a lot of it is very contrdicting.

Can you help me understand how they sound to you with impressions or/and comparisons? Thanks

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