Nearfield Speakers

I know it’s only been a day (4 hours today and I think 2 hours yesterday), but I wanted to record some of my thoughts 1st impressions before I forget and before the weekend is over. Day 1, first 2 hours, I really was so impressed by the Tiny Radial that I considered buying another Decware speaker with something like the Oliver Sayes 26 / 46 dht tube amp. Day 2, when I really sat down and listened, my excitement died down a little bit, it went from “OMG ITS REALLY GOOD” to “this is pretty nice”. I think my excitement died down when I turn on my Polk R200 speakers and the presentation is nothing alike. I guess you really don’t know what you are missing until you hear it or in my case, are reminded of it.

  • Here is my first impression of Tom Stanley’s Tiny Radial Speaker without a subwoofer and in desktop presentation (not near-field):

Setup is ROON Rock - Intel NUC 7i7 > EMM NS1 > Mystique Evo B4B 21 > Nitsch Magni Piety > Schiit Rekkr > Tom Stanley’s Tiny Radial Speakers

Sound is more on the neutral bright side in my current setup to me. My volume preference is low gain, probably like 80% on the Magni Piety on local files. When listening to Qobuz classical orchestra in Roon, I use high gain probably like 60% - 80%.

Pros:

  • Midrange is a little smooth
  • Imaging is amazing
  • Soundstage gets pretty deep and gets pretty 3D
  • Small footprint making it perfect for desktop use

Cons:

  • Do not want to play a real loud volume (max volume low gain for my Magni Piety) as bass would sound more distorted
  • Don’t want to get too far from these. Prefer to be a lot closer like 1.5 - 2 feet because I can feel the bass more. Further away from that, the bass becomes too thin and non-existent.
  • Compared to my other under $1K speaker, the Polk R200, the resolution isn’t quite good compared to the R200. But honestly, the average price is like maybe $500 new and about $250 used, the resolution is absolutely fantastic for price to performance ratio. They probably scale a lot better with a better power amp/pre-amp combo since I am using the Rekkr/Magni Piety combo for this vs the R200 have the Vidar 2/Supratek 45 combo.

Notes:

  • You don’t want to play it too low because the notes will lack weight and you do not want to play too loud because the bass will distort. You want a “sweet” spot in terms of volume.
  • You want to be very close to them, I prefer to be right in front of them about 1.5 feet. One of my other favorite positions is to just put them between my head lol. The soundstage gets huge (mainly height) and resolution gets better when the speakers are between my head.
  • 1 thing I really like using the Tiny Radials as as desktop speakers is when I stare into my computer monitor, it feels like I can put my head through it and it’s a whole new world in there like Narnia with the wardrobe. I honestly get that same feeling with my Polk R200 with my TV, so maybe that is just a regular speaker trait or my DAC trait…
  • Schiit Rekkr gets decently warm when paired with the Tiny Radials

Comparing the Tom Stanley Tiny Radials to my Polk R200 is day and night in performance. I think desktop listening is just a whole another listening experience compared to near-field and it’s not fair to compare if your preference is near-field. Next weekend if I am not too busy, will probably try the Tiny Radial with a better preamp which is my Supratek 45 DHT Preamp, and in a near-field position basically where my Polk R200 is. I will also try to give the Tiny Radial a slight edge by adding a subwoofer to it. I honestly don’t think the Polk R200 needs a subwoofer, but that might be fun to try out…

Conclusion:
Overall from this quick first impression, I think the Tiny Radials are really good for the price you get them for (in my case, FREE). I also think they are perfect for casual use like YouTube watching and desktop purposes with their small footprint and low power usage. It doesn’t get too loud, so the sound won’t travel too far in your house and cause a ruckus with whoever you live with. But, for some reason, it does sound really huge when you are very close to the Tiny Radials. Match it with the Schiit Rekkr and Nitsch Magni Piety, and it’s really hard to beat this low-price performance lol. This is without a subwoofer, so my impression of these may raise quite a lot after listening to them with subwoofer. I’m getting a cheap subwoofer sometime next week, so I will probably try to get more listening sessions with the Tiny Radial to see how drastic a difference adding a subwoofer to these makes. Whatever outcome happen after I listen to these as a near-field speaker, I will 100% still use these as a desktop speaker because I can’t really think of anything better than these in terms of pricing, power usage, small footprint, and sound quality I get.

I also wanted to add this note for future me, my favorite presentation is currently Near-Field, so pretty excited to try the Tiny Radials next weekend in a Near-Field Position with subwoofer!

  • Designer Notes I found from his posts:

User Question: “What do you use for driver(s) in your radial speaker? One, two, full range, co-axial ??”

Maker Reply:

Tang Band T2-2136SA Full Range Speaker Module 2-3/4" x 2-3/4"?

"Full range. A gentleman on here asked if I could build them, you can find them by searching for DecWare mini radials. On that site they offer plans, Bom, etc. I changed the angle on the cabinet design and prefer the bass I get. If you ever wanted to build a set I could make the cabinets for you, after that they go together fairly easily. I make my own tops and bottoms otherwise DecWare sells them. They benefit greatly if you add a small subwoofer or even a Loki or Lokius.

The cabinet cuts are not easy and I developed my own methods to do that. The DecWare site has videos of their builds in case you want to see how tricky the cabinets are to make."

A cool note from the creator of the Decware Tiny Radial:


^ I think I want to try this one day lol. I guess the Tiny Radial really do sound their best close to the user.

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On a small desktop set-up, especially one where space was at a premium, I could not recommend anything better than the Decware Tiny Radials, the newer ones with the heavier build or steel base plates would be my recommendation so that they don’t bounce around as much :rofl:
Much appreciate the update @SaberPunch you and I are on similar wavelength and tastes…I was seriously eyeballing that Oliver Says amp recently…monetary timing is simply way off for me currently and toy funding is simply not available otherwise, I would have snatched that amp right up to play with it :+1:

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Yeah, that Oliver Says amp (with his Omega speakers as a combo) was bad timing for me too. I spent all my remaining funds on some headphones like 2 days before I saw it. I had to tell myself, there always something better next year before I gave into temptation of selling something I might regret again…Glad someone bought it, just hoping I will see it again next year lol.

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Here’s my “endgame” after looking for ~2 years.

Current chain - Audiobyte Hydra Z → PS Audio Directstream MK2 → Luxman L509x → ATC SCM20sl

I’m still getting used to the change in speakers but I think overall they’re quite nice. They match the level of technicalities as the Aras but doesn’t have the treble fatigue that some people have with BE tweeters. The vocals seem to have a bit more body to it and sounds very good with acoustic mixes. The speakers aren’t as deep but I almost have them pulled out as much as the Ara so I don’t really gain any space at all. I wouldn’t say they’re a huge upgrade from the Ara but a nice change. I can definitely see a lot of audiophiles preferring the ATCs for audiophile music and my Aras for pop and metal.

I think I’d really have to spend close to 10k+ if I wanted to see an upgrade in this setup so this will have to be it for a long time. While it’s a bit sad that there’s not too much left to do, I’m pretty happy with how my system is sounding.

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The Luxman is a beautiful beast for sure. Very nice setup.

Sounds like you’re ready to explore cables.

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:rofl: I’ve been looking but it just looks like a money pit. I’m hoping to grab an analysis plus set for under $300 but I think I’ll have to wait a bit for the right set to show up used. Either that or some NOS western electric cables but I’m not in a hurry.

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in my experience the sub was necessary but together they make a great system

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I bought a subwoofer for the Tiny Radials but ended up really liking it on my R200 system. Once I get a good opportunity and enough cash to upgrade the subwoofer there, I was planning to move that subwoofer to the Tiny Radial system.

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yup, hardest thing about a new toy is opening it too fast :rofl:

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Quick update on my setup. I bought some duelund speaker cables and it really kicked my system into gear. I also updated the transformers in my DAC and that balanced it out even more. My system is definitely better than before which was what I was hoping to get. Unfortunately I’m not sure what else I can do. I’m gonna explore diretta and fiber but I’m guessing those will be just small tweaks

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@driftingbunnies Use diretta ASIO on windows > diretta target/endpoint > ddc> dac. This is same flow chart as HQP advises on their website.

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What changed in terms of sound? What component received the transformer upgrade?

My DAC uses transformers in the output stage so I upgraded them to nickel transformers. More balanced FR, great timbre, depth, realism, etc. Overall just a better experience from before. The upgrade is pretty specific to my DAC though.

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Are there any “rules of thumb” to follow when locating speakers for near field?

Failing that any thoughts on the current setup…

At the moment I have a set of p3esr on my desk on stands to get the tweeters at ear height and toe in to roughly intersect about 50cm behind my usual sitting spot.

Speakers are sitting out 15cm each side past the edge of the monitor and maybe 10cm away from the rear wall but I can’t push back further.

Thankyou

I was watching the pearl acoustics video on nearfield and he recommends having the woofer ear level instead of tweeter for nearfield since treble energy might be too much in closer distances.

For reference, my ATC 20s actually recommend a spot right at the top of the woofer. Currently I’m using isoacoustic stands to keep them flat and my ears are right around that area. I used to tilt my speakers up but I like them flat at the moment.

In terms of distances, the furthest away from the wall is generally the best. Since you’re at a desk setup, that generally means 1-2 ft at most but anything you can do to pull the speakers away from the wall would be most beneficial. Same thing with side walls. I have some bass panels in the back and an acoustic panel on the wall that is closest to the desk. Try to keep the distances between tweeters roughly 83-100% the distance to you. That should keep a solid phantom center and toe in accordingly. Some speakers need more than others but start flat first and see if things sharpen up as you start to toe in.

Your numbers seem fine but i’m not sure about the 50cm beyond your sitting spot. You can try having the speakers pointed to your shoulders so that the intersection is right behind your head.

I have a picture of my setup a few posts up for reference

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Thankyou for that. I’ve adjusted toe in and will find tune it over the coming days.

My stands are at their lowest setting already so I’ll try adjusting my sear lower to play with ear height and take it from there.

Listening a little too loud with the new drumless daft punk album yesterday and I need to improve my speaker isolation as the desk was bouncing away; but I’ll get an idea of ideal height first and then go from there.

Has anyone heard/own the tune tots? I know they are mega bucks but having heard a few Wilson systems lately I’m curious to know how close the tunetots get for desktop and smaller use.

The lack of bass port or rather a neat and hidden bass port with plug would be ideal for my situation with a 60cm desk (and rel tzero for backup)

Your p3esr’s should be perfect for a desk.

I love my tube tots and they give me great enjoyment but I have not used them on a desk so that I can give you proper feedback.
I have used them within 6 feet of my head and they work well close in so I don’t see much of an issue there.
The bass will possibly be more than you have currently but that really is placement specific and if you can get your head/seat just right in the wave where the lower end frequencies roll past you when they play.

If you can find them used and have 25 watts or so to feed them they may better satisfy your desires. Maybe…:thinking::person_shrugging:

Also, I have preferences for which combo of gear sounds best with them. Just saying.

I missed your earlier comment and caught @NickMimi comment about your p3esr. I have also have them setup on my desk. For my use case, I found placement to be very forgiving. I have my recliner setup behind my desk chair and find the listening experince to be comparable. I think they are slighly toed in, but not the textbook nearfield setup. I think youll be golden with the p3esr. Slight Harbeth bias.

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