Mojo Audio thread, Mystique / Deja Vu / Illuminati

These are quotes directly from Benjamin of MOJO Audio. I am pasting them here from another forum for easier reference for all.

Quoted from Ben of MOJO audio:
"Benjamin from Mojo Audio here to clear up any misconceptions. The Mystique X is not replacing the EVO. The EVO is still a current product and fully supported.

There are no plans to stop supporting the EVO and there will be a new EVO for 2022. The Mystique X is a new lower cost model which has better performance than our EVO Basic and very close performance to our current EVO Pro.

Now you know why we’ve been offering a 20% discount on our EVOs…we knew we were going to be releasing the lower priced X.

The X stands for “extruded chassis.” Switching to a 9" wide x 4" tall x 16" deep extruded aluminum chassis with custom face and rear plates is one of the many cost saving compromises we made.

Because the X is so close in performance to our current EVO models, in 2022 our EVO is being totally redesigned and upgraded. The 2022 EVO will start at about $15K and go up to about $20K. The new X will start at only $7,777. This is where the “all the magic…half the price” stuff comes from.

Among the upgrades to the 2022 EVO will be things like dual mono power supplies, custom Lundahl amorphous core power transformers, and the PCM63 DAC chip. Since the new X is quite a tough act to follow, the new EVO won’t be available until mid year 2022.

But back to more info on our new X…

The circuit and most of the component parts in the X are identical to the EVO. There are a few almost inaudible compromises in the digital power supplies and 9 vs 16 Belleson regulators total. There are also some improvements made to all the power supplies which will offset the compromises.

For those of you who are purists like me, there are improvements to the S/PDIF inputs. The X will also have a USB input cut off switch that will remove all clocking from inside the chassis to improve S/PDIF performance even more.

Among the other cost saving compromises we made was going to all PC board mounted connectors…pretty much what most manufacturers do. There are almost no wires inside the X chassis. The compromise is that we are no longer able to suspend all the circuit boards on anti-resonant mounts. But the chassis itself has some new anti-resonant treatments. So overall switching to PC board mounted connectors is a net gain in performance.

In 2022 we are also evolving our manufacture from 100% hand built to robotically assembled. This is going to both lower our cost of manufacture and significantly increase our productivity. So for the first time in over 12 years in business Mojo Audio will be selling through an international network of retail distributors.

The Mystique X is the first of our manufactured vs hand built products which will sell through retailers.

Hopefully in a few days we’ll have engineering drawings of the new X chassis and full descriptions on our website.
Mojo Audio DACs are engineered for natural, neutral, and harmonically coherent sound.

This will not appeal to everyone.

To over simplify, I divide high end audio customers in to two categories: the audiophile and the music lover.

Audiophiles will talk about things like bass extension and weight, high end extension and penetration, image, depth, and layering.

None of those things have anything to do with music. Those are what I call “special effects” and “attractive distortion.”

Music lovers talk about things like time, tune, harmonic coherency, and the ways instruments and voices intermingle.

Time and tune: that’s music on the written page. The most basic components of all music.

Harmonic coherency is the mathematical alignment of all frequencies. When a note is struck it has harmonics at twice the frequency and half the amplitude going up to infinity. Alignment of the bass, mid, and high frequency harmonics is essential for music to have an organic character.

I’ve been told by customers “no matter how loud I play my Mojo Audio DAC it never sounds loud.” This is because all the harmonics align perfectly.

This is also what gives Audiophiles the illusion (or rather delusion) that our DACs have less resolution than some of these other more impressively “voiced” DACs. When harmonics don’t align it gives a false sense of separation, layering, and resolution. Sort of like a black outline around animation. It makes things “pop” at the expense of no longer sounding natural and organic.

Those of you who actually listen to live acoustic music all know that the separation of instruments and pin point imaging that many audiophiles are looking for simply does not exist in the real world. It is a trick of the recording studio.

Let me finish by staying there is no right or wrong here. Everyone is entitled to have the sound they prefer.

If you’re looking for that “larger than life” sound that many audiophiles desire, then there are several DACs on the market with FPGAs, Delta-Sigma DAC chips, and impressively voiced output stages to choose from.

If you’re looking for a natural and neutral sound with correct time, tune, and harmonic coherency, I suggest you audition one of my DACs with our 45-day no-risk audition."

End quote; this explanation satisfies my curiosity on impressions folks have given about his DAC’s I was curious and searched till i found the words “straight out of the horses mouth.”

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Wow that’s pretentious as shit lol (come on, it’s just semantics, I get what he’s trying to say, but it’s all intermingled no matter what your preferred word choice may be, some use the aforementioned interchangeably to mean one or the other, could have been worded in a way that better expressed choice of priority rather than simple vocabulary to differentiate. Just comes off to me in the same way that for example the “oh it’s all abut the music, only real music lovers understand, you clearly don’t care about the music” people try to justify their opinion, sorta gatekeeping that is imo not a great thing in the hobby and turns people off from discussion)

Good info :+1:

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@M0N i understand what he is saying, just to put his words in better context, it came from a long thread off the audiogon forums where some folks were simply ripping his products to shreds and I think Benjamin was a bit hot under the collar when he responded. BUT, it does explain his philosophy and build decisions to me. Like any specialty piece properly mating equipment and KNOWING what you are trying to do, at this level, helps an individual find synergy. I think his stuff is built really well and i was researching it. I really thought his response was great insight into his design philosophy and thus chose to share it here. :man_shrugging:

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Fair enough, he doesn’t deserve that, his dacs are fantastic

Also true, although admittedly I wouldn’t have been too compelled to look further into his dacs after reading that if I hadn’t heard how good they were already (he made them sound spatially dead and lacking precision and extension which they absolutely don’t? like really could have been phrased better)

I would agree, I was just put off by that quick comment he made. It’s just something that constantly bothers me when I see it regardless who says stuff like that

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We try to label too many things that shouldn’t be labeled, simply just described. In the end wind up confusing or alienating people that either don’t have first hand experience or have bought into one label or another.

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Bf2 is john belushi and thats why we love it

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im so glad you called this out tbh. All I could think when reading that was “this sounds like the exact kind of dude I block on forums”

Rofl. Agreed. All I could think was "so the thing I hate about senn 6x0s?

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Reading it in context, I get what he’s trying to say. The thing is that it’s difficult to describe audio and what he’s doing there by separating the descriptors is just not productive. I think both points of views apply when you’re looking for hardware that may suit our tastes or the synergy we’re looking to create.

Shit we still throw around the “fun” descriptive term and that is laughably not technical, yet fully understood by all.

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what’s the b4b (brb?) stand for? can’t keep track of how many versions are out there…

edit: answered myself, bang for buck, middle of the road in the evo line - “The “EVO” designation implies that the unit can evolve from a Basic to a Pro by upgrading power supplies, shielding, etc. now or at a later date. I was sent the B4B version with the Class A output stage, the analog signal path, and the ERS paper shielding, all of which as of 1/2/21 are standard and no longer upgrade options on the B4B. The EVO Pro will come standard with more intensive shielding, a whole new more advanced shielding package (with tiny high-tech materials bonded directly to the most critical chips as well as considerably more ERS paper lining, Perfect Path Technologies Graphene magnetic sheets, Mu Metal, and other advanced shielding materials), and the most sophisticated power supply options.” (from here)

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bang 4 buck, their middle of the road version upgrade wise

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you are now officially faster then me thinking “I should google that, finding answer, copying to SA”

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If anyone on here has interest in a mojo mystique evo b4b i have one im likely to sell soon as i search for a dac upgrade. My mystique has the og chassis and has the amorphous core upgrade. Would also be significantly cheaper than this listing.

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What do you have your eye on now?

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Lampi gg2 or hopefully a pacific , and total dac. A aries cerat kassandra could be an interesting option too

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If things go sideways for many the way the economy is looking, you might see a lot of hardware come up for sale at below market value. Cash is king, be ready to pounce.

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Anyone know the differences between the pre 2021 and 2021 evo lineup as well as the differences between the basic/b4b/and pro?

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Off the top of my head, no. I do believe the audiogon thread where Ben had the “pretentious” comments may jave a bit if info on those differences. Thats all i can do to point you in the right direction.

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Perfect! Ill give it a read! I know he use to have a break down on his erbsite. Shame that seems to just be gone into the ether though

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The holier than thou attitude in that thread was ficking wild. Litteraly one perspn who said it wasnt their prefered sound and the dude went off. Distinctly reminds me of abyss joe…

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I thought about abyss after one of our discussions around that type of attitude and decided I’m actually fine with it. It’s like crazy artists defending their beliefs and art, as long as you put it in perspective and decide for your own what you want to do with what they offer, it adds a bit of color and contrast to the other extreme end of measurements above all etc