Meze thread, LIRIC / Empyrean / Elite / 99 / 109

Aaron Rodgers loved it.

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I like to think of him as Greek Aaron Rodgers.

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@Rhodey the Empy 2 lasted how long? About a week? :rofl:

Given the polarity between YouTube reviews and some us regular folk, how did your experience stack up?

They’re not as bad as some claim, but not as good either. I like the MR more.
If they were a bit more coherent and not as peaky in some areas in the highs I wouldn’t mind them too much. Problem is I’m comparing them to the Caldera and MR. I think if I didn’t have those two here then I could potentially keep them. Maybe a copper cable would help with the peaks. Idk? They’re not terrible, but not a HE1 either.

And it’s not like it’s the only one being sold. I actually had the 3.1 for less time and pretty much made up my mind with it. FWIW, I’d take the Empy 2 over it.

HEKse is doing something to my ears post listening. It’s not too bad while using it, but my ears have some pain after I’m done. One time I had some pain the next day. The Caldera, Empy 2, and MR doesn’t have this problem.

This is obviously all subjective and my experience. People obviously love some of these headphones and I can understand why. I just like what I have atm. They were all worth the try. Not upset with the experience.

I think if I had to rank them from this experience it would be as follows…

Caldera- probably first. If HEKse didn’t give me the ear pain, it would be closer.

HEKse- I want to put this second, but it’s tough because of the after effects. But purely sound wise and not mentioning the issues, I will.

Empy 2- This one is really close for the 2 spot, and for me and long term use it would be.

Mysphere 3.1- It has pretty good mids. Problem is, the low end is missing a majority of the time. There are certain tracks where you can have the bass right and it doesn’t make the mids too hot but it’s not a lot for me. Beatles, Come together now is one of those tracks. Bass is good, mids are good and it works. Most of the time you have to raise the vol to get the low end where it should be, then the mids and highs are too hot. I noticed this on Muddy Waters, Folk Singer and a number of other albums and recordings.
For the trade off of the low end, you should have better mids, and stage and layering should be better. Detail too, since we’re missing the bottom area.

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Oh I realize that, was honing in the Empy 2 as several of us had similar experiences with it which countered what the reviews experienced.

This is nuts! I have zero experience with this headphone, let alone keep up with the variations it has gone through. Enduring ear pain the next day is unfortunate, I would be pushing those out the door too if that was my experience.

Forgive me for asking an obvious question; I know there are two models of the MySpehere, one of which is better suited with DNA amps, is the 3.1 that model?

Thank you for the above comparison and ranking

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Yeah, this HEKse is supposed to be the smoothest, next is sus. I’d take the sus all day. I’d take the sus off a BHA-1, it wasn’t awful and still pretty enjoyable. Obviously not the low end that it can have but still good enough and didn’t hurt my ears afterwards. Actually have considered trying the sus off the MJ3. Won’t give me ear pain and it’ll be close to what I was trying. We’ll see. Maybe I’ll land a tungsten DS.
I think it’s the HEKse air and upper treble. Again it’s pretty enjoyable during the listening session, just not good later on.

Yeah this is the correct one, 3.1 for the DNA. And it’s not bad, but I need a touch more body and low end. And if it doesn’t, I need other areas to really shine. I was hoping for better stage width and depth. And better layering. And something close to HD800S bass consistently. Understanding the design I knew it would be bass light but a little too much for me. The MSRP on them is wild imo.

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Yes it is, though have seen them list refurbished units for more reasonable prices. I’m less familiar with some of the accessories which can compensate for the low end, I may also be mixing it up with the Sr1a from Raal in terms of accessories.

You can get bass frames but I’m not sure how much that’ll help. And they don’t really fit my head as well as I’d like.

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It’s a pretty significant mid bass lift from the Bass Frames.
Nothing will give them sub bass.

You can increase bass by moving the flaps in, I run mine all the way out with the Bass Frames, but I’m not a big Bass person.

The fit just takes getting used to.

The wings need to touch your head at the front not float away from it, or you’ll get no Bass or mids for that matter.

There is also a big tonal difference in with the vertical positioning, which IMO is the hardest part to get right, make a note of the scale on the side when you get it right.

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Ok cool. Yeah I would hope the bass frames did a better job.

It’s the sides and bottom of the headband that gets me. Pressure above and behind the ears. No matter where you place it/shift it to, the clamp is there.

When I move them all the way in it does increase the mid bass but then you lose stage and depth, and imo the whole point of them. With them on your ears you may as well just wear a more comfortable headphone that reaches the sub level. That’s just how I see it. They’re cool, but I don’t think something I want to deal with to own. Too many trade offs.

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Thanks for posting your impressions and comparisons.

It seems like the Empyrean 2 is tuned more similar to the 109 Pro rather than the original Empyrean.

A look at the frequency response graphs confirms the similarities.


In contrast the Elite appears to follow the Empyrean more closely.


I really enjoyed the Elite when I had it on loan for a demo. It’s unfortunate that Meze decided to tune the Empyrean 2 with greater ear gain like the 109 Pro, but there’s still the Elite so that works out for those who enjoyed the original Meze ‘house sound’.

Thanks again.

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From the Head-Fi CanJam NYC 2024 preview video I posted here:
https://forum.sonusapparatus.com/t/industry-news-rumors-new-releases/133/2211?u=valentineluke

Meze Liric II, with a “balanced and warm profile”. They’ve added a type of diffuser to the driver that smooths out the treble peak found in the Liric.

The Makassar Ebony looks really pretty, IMO.

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A review is live.

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