General Source Gear Help/Discussion Thread

I ended up with the newer ESS DAC J2 (black with clear face plate) + USB. I needed a reasonably priced stand-in for my desk setup that had a lot of connectivity options. It’s nice having flexibility.

I’m sourcing the COAX input via PI2AES, which seems pretty solid. And I also have a separate RPi sourcing the USB input (I mostly use this for streaming HQPlayer, but sometimes regular Roon streaming to A/B with the COAX input). I suspect the superiority of the PI2AES source (over my USB source), accounts for some of the sonic differences.

That Audiophonics DDC looks neat, that would be very interesting to try. I almost pulled the trigger on a DDC last year, but I really don’t need one yet, so saved my $$$.

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It gets a bit hot but it is a nice compact and low noise thing. I have it taking usb from a Pi4 running volumio.

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Since you guys are flirting with the topic, there will be an article about DDC in our site soon, just have to finish it! Well, it’s mostly done, just have to do final edit. :slight_smile:

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Speaking of the MHDT that M0N mentioned lol @Gothique

It may not be the best price but personally I would not pay 900EUR for the Ares II, this seems to be a much better value proposition

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Thanks so much for bringing it to my attention. I started to look at it and to read up on it and then I realised I had made my decision. I’m going to wait for a Bifrost to either be in stock at Schiit Europe or if one pops up second hand. I think rather than chasing down another rabbit hole for the sake of it I can best be patient and enjoy something else. I’ve still the Whammy to finish and learn, I’d love to get the 880s and maybe those Denons I have my eye on…

I can wait for the right thing rather than jump on the nearest I think!

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@Gothique Wise choices! lol.

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Every now and then I do something sensible. Ish… sometimes…

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Fresh money can make for quick pocket holes! I have had to fight with that one
many times. Usually more time and research has resulted in better decisions.
:wink:

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Hello,
The Bitfrost is currently not available and will probably not be until 6-8 weeks from now, unfortunately.
Maybe you can still find it used somewhere.
I ordered the Magni loki and Vali 2 directly from Schiit at the time.
Everything worked and I have to say that customs clearance was kept within limits.
It was cheaper than at Shiit Europe, I have to say.
They don’t do anything other than order from Schitt, declare it and sell it in Europe at a slightly higher price.
From that point of view, it comes out to the same thing.
The only thing you have to watch out for is the British shop, where you definitely have to pay customs again thanks to Brexit, so you would pay double for customs clearance.
Because you already paid duty on the import, it will be deducted again in the sale.
British products are more attractive if they are not imported and produced in England.
But anything that was imported is not, so you pay double.
Tubes and small electrical components such as capacitors are still profitable, depending on the price, but the rest is a tragedy.
If you order directly from Shiite, depending on the dollar exchange rate, you are more likely to profit than if you buy in Europe.
Just a tip.
See if there is a customs duty calculator in your country, which gives you a good idea of what customs clearance will cost up to a difference of 1€.

Shiit is currently suffering from the chip crisis and the Akm fire.
I’m a bit surprised that they designed their products last year after chips were available on the market.

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Thanks Deleeh, all good advice. I think if I do end up buying from Schiit it won’t be until Easter. I do always check an import calculator too!

I’m guessing their design phase started well before the current supply shortages and changing them so near the end would have been costly.

It is at least a supply crunch so sooner or later it will work itself out.

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In the market for an amp for my Forte IVs. I like how it sounds but I think at this point, upgrading my chain would refine the experience; y’know, increase width, holographic yadda yadda. Also they are a teensy fatiguing. I can tell after a bit of listening depending on the song/source but even then it’s not enough to make me change my behaviour in any way but having some gear to curve that would be nice.

So I’m definitely looking into some high-quality tube stuff. Aroundish $5k but I’d prefer to go under. Also 5 inputs is what I’m looking for, though 4 may be acceptable if it seems worthwhile enough. Remote is a must have.

Considerations:

  • Primaluna Evo 300: well-known, seemingly liked by the majority of buyers, very solid build qaulity, sub outs, nice remote. Just seems like a safe bet imo.
  • LTA Z10: recommended by @M0N on at least one occassion, tech that lowers heat output and lengthens tube life, described as some amazing sound signature that doesn’t fit tube or ss sound (x-factor). Feels like I’m being sold on the new “hotness” but maybe that’s because it’s legit. Remote could be better. Less known brand to me at least.
  • Some sort of Rogue Audio stack. I have a dealer near by so that’s a plus. Heard it runs hot and frankly has more watts than I need. More of an honorable mention as this seems like the biggest risk to me. But some forum posts seemingly prefer this over PL so I’m still side-eying it.

Anything else has kinda been off of my radar so suggestions are welcome.

(Also I should probably look for a new DAC soon. Money, money, money…)

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So a question I’d want to ask, what aspects do you currently like about them, what aspects do you want to improve on them, and generally with your current system how would you say it leans, and would you want to continue leaning in a similar direction?

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Sorry for the delay. I tried partially going through three albums (listed below for the curious) to try and nail down what I like specifically but I’m not sure what to do. I know I like the sound. I know it’s better than my previous speakers. Sounds larger, it has more bass capability, it can project farther easier.

Maybe that means I just enjoy the direction of this speaker? Idk how good it can get; I have the best speakers I’ve ever heard. I’ve never been to an audio show. I’m not necessarily trying to chase some sound I heard from a concert. I’m just seeing what could deliver “better”. Unless my AV receiver is as good as it gets.

Listening list:

  • Anathallo: Canopy Glow
  • Sons of Kemet: Your Queen is a Reptile
  • Robyn Hitchcock: Spooked
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Something I should note, I’ve only heard forte iiis, not the new iv’s yet, so I have no idea how those sound, only basing off my experience with the iii

Gotcha gotcha then. Well given your needs, some of the things I would have mentioned would be out due to IO limitations. You could go separates (pre + power) or integrated

I think you are right about the primaluna being a safe bet, it’s reasonably fully featured, it’s signature is a warmer neutral that doesn’t lean too far in one direction and it’s impressive enough technical performance will satisfy, and it’s also even safe in it’s looks lol. It’s a reasonably good choice just to get something and try. It’s well balanced overall and honestly there isn’t much standout both exceedingly good or noticeably off, but I think one could do better for the money, but there’s also something to be said in having something just work and sound enjoyable as well

The Z10 is a sweet amp, although honestly for some of the klipsch I might worry it might lean a bit too clean and tight for my liking, personally I want something that’s a bit more relaxed and less bright (not saying the z10 is bright, but it can sound that way with a pair of cornwalls I had heard with some LTA gear). Things it would excel at: resolving power, background blackness, overall spatial recreation, dynamics overall, speed and separation, timbre. Things that could be dealbreakers: tonality being too clean, forwardness potentially being too much, overall lack in bass grip and control being slightly one note, slight lack of impact, dryer tonal density.

Honestly with the rogue stuff, I’m personally not that impressed with their higher end, it’s good but nothing to really write home about, I honestly might like the primaluna more for the money you’d spend on a rogue. THAT BEING SAID, you have the opportunity to potentially hear a rogue amp from that dealer, if you could get an in home demo that would be real sweet, as that would give you more information overall, and if you end up liking the rogue stuff you can just get that and roll with it.


Honestly if you wanted a real middle of the road signature but something that would emphasize a lot of the positives of the forte I might look toward quicksilver. I think something like their mid monos with their remote line stage would really give you a damn solid setup for under your budget. Things it would excel at: overall grip and control, very grand stage and presentation, great balance of smoothness, tonally well balanced and well weighted, solid impact, great speed and separation, very nice timbre. Things that could be dealbreakers: coherency is slightly off but imo not that big of a deal here, resolution is good but not stand out

I really want to suggest decware but I don’t think they would have anything that would fulfill your usability requirement (remote and inputs). You could grab a decware power and go pre hunting but I don’t know if I’d want to do that in your case since you don’t really know what you are after yet

Some of the ST-70 style amps would work pretty well, but again might be another rabbit hole that doesn’t make sense to follow (yet)

I also have personally like an octave v 40 se, that’s an overall really impressive amp that is also somewhat middle of the road in signature and doesn’t lean too far in one direction. It’s more obscure but I think it’s still a potentially worthwhile pick here. Somewhat similar traits to the quicksilver combo but a bit dryer and more techincal, but not enough to likely tilt the speakers too far. It can actually be upgraded later on with a nicer psu called the black box.

But honestly I’d lean toward that quicksilver combo, I think that would check all the boxes without blowing out budget (iirc)

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Yeah definitely looking at the Quicksilver stuff. The Horn Mono Amp looks like a good pick as well since my speakers are so efficient and the self-bias is a plus. When it comes to mono blocks, simplicity is a plus and Quicksilver seems to have it in spades. The preamp looks okay but the remote looks like garbage (not a big deal, I could buy a universal learning remote if I really hate it). Would’ve been nice to have remote input switching but it looks like they haven’t changed much of their design in like 20 years. Wonder why it hasn’t gotten much attention in the last decade or two? Guess not everyone can pay for advertising.

As for the LTA, would adding a subwoofer help at all? I was planning on maybe getting a subwoofer in the future but if the signal is already lacking, maybe it won’t help regardless.

EDIT: Perhaps a primaluna evo 100 preamp with the quicksilver monos to have more of modern feel and more appealing aesthetics…

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As M0N referenced the Decware, currently my 341.5 is a favorite for my K-horns and Heresy’s. Love it, and the speakers sound rich and have plenty of volume for my tastes. Having said this the backlog is hitting a year soon, and more power is always a good thing to have on hand, plenty of better choices out there at your price range, especially used. Good luck and congratulations!

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Racking my brain given inputs and remote needs. Leben has the inputs but alas no remote. I’ll throw Line Magnetic and Cayin out there not because I have any opinion or experience but they do have the inputs and remote. Maybe someone else will have experience there.

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Thanks for your input. I just kinda find it crazy that these are hard demands. Is it really surprising that an audiophile has a CD player, record player, cassette player, streamer, and TV? And the remote thing I feel should be more normal. I know it saves money to cut down on these things but man… I’m not like eccentric or anything.

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Audio and Television, together? OMG that’s like peanut butter mixing with chocolate - eewe…

:rofl:

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Mmm, maybe a Line Magnetic LM508ia would sound pretty damn nice. It has 3 inputs, a pre-in, and a remote.
LM845 premium would be aspirational.

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